> We're staring at a monitor for 8+ hours a day folks and there's no art or craft in staring at things, thinking or drawing diagrams. Yes, there's a whole invis

> We're staring at a monitor for 8+ hours a day folks and there's no art or craft in staring at things, thinking or drawing diagrams. Yes, there's a whole invisible universe unfolding in the depths of the machine and the mental models can be incredibly complex and maybe one can even admit that there's a certain beauty to some designs or pieces of code. But programming remains very different form any kind of art known by man or the crafts which typically result in the creation of a physical object. I think I get your point but I respectfully disagree. The same could be said of a writer staring at a piece of paper (or a computer screen) and good literature is uncontroversially considered art. I believe this is more a consequence of newer technology initially perceived as less valuable (photography vs painting, computer rendered vs manual processes, etc) in art, which seems a romantic view of how art should be created.