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The rest of the world needs to wake up and realize that China is not messing around. There will be a long list of Hong Kong’s if we continue to look the other w
by oxymoran 6y ago
The rest of the world needs to wake up and realize that China is not messing around. There will be a long list of Hong Kong’s if we continue to look the other way to authoritarian regimes.
- baybal2 6y agoUS administration repeatedly failed to honour quite a number of defence treaties as of lately.
- AYBABTME 6y agoWhich?
- baybal2 6y ago1. US Philippines Defence Treaty, USA allegedly refused to honor it when Philippines demanded USA assist clearing Mischief Reef, multiple times, and under multiple administrations. 2. Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security Between the United States and Japan, refused to acknowledge Chinese hostility against Japanese controlled island. 3. Mutual Defense Treaty Between the United States and the Republic of Korea, Koreans requested US aid countless times, on record. 4. Taiwan Relations Act, repeatedly failed to classify air incursions as attack under the act. 5. Suggested that Montenegro is not protected by the Article V, and voila, they got a Russian Coup d'état attempt in a few months. 6. Ukraine, you know the story.
- claydavisss 6y agoNot even John Bolton would advocate starting WW3 for any of the trivialities you cite
- tingol 6y agoWhat Russian coup in Montenegro?
- wutwutwutwut 6y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegrin_coup_plot https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegrin_coup_plot
- AnimalMuppet 6y agoAir incursions are not an attack. The US and Russia do it to each other all the time, yet remain not at war.
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- croes 6y agoThe US has a long history of failed honouring of international laws. Why should they honour any treaties? There are not many countries that are allowed to support coups against elected leaders of one country with impunity, or are allowed to kill people in other countries by drone, or force other countries to implement their sanctions. With their actions in the Middle East, South America or Kosovo they have provided the blueprints according to which Russia and China now act. What is the status of the sanctions against Saudi Arabia for the assassination of Khashoggi? Are there no more, right? You don't read about Raif Badawi anymore. Because we and our allies are the good ones. It is this hypocrisy that has brought us today's problems in the first place
- croes 6y agoBTW guess who sanctioned war crimes investigators for looking into possible war crimes of their troops? You want peace and justice in the world, then start judging everyone by the same standards.
- abellerose 6y agoMoney & power are greater than protesting/democracy is what people are waking up to. It's been that way since forever but a lot of dogma keeps people docile to the idea that change is made from the "people" instead of a few elect individuals by birth with circumstances of wealth and power.
- kingkawn 6y agoIf the broad population decides you’re done; you’re done. Doesn’t matter what wealth or power you think you’ve got.
- anm89 6y agoHave you ever seen congressional approval ratings? This is not true.
- xoa 6y ago>Have you ever seen congressional approval ratings? I have, have you? General approval ratings for Senators and Representatives tend to be extremely high, and in turn the reelection rate of incumbents is quite high as well. Or did you mean "approval of Congress as a whole"? If you did that's silly because people do not vote for Congress as a whole, people vote for their own representatives within that body. Since the population is not perfectly uniform in its beliefs or priorities, that means inevitably even the most perfect hard working representatives will certainly not get their way all the time, and will probably flat out lose fights sometimes, which means that the body as a whole will be making one group or another mad almost all of the time. That's the reality of organizing a diverse group of people though towards goals too big for them to handle individually. It would make no difference for any system of governance whatsoever short of some sort of compulsive mind control, the population will be angry about decisions some of the time. If you were going to object to GP, a better (scarier) counter point would be that as technological advancement has ever more eclipsed individual human power, it's not at all guaranteed that at some point a totalitarian regime couldn't emerge backed (and/or run) by sufficient tech to be internally long term stable even against the wishes of the majority population. Or for another side, that could simply do away with said majority of the population.
- the-dude 6y agoDid they bomb or invade the place? Are they forcing debilitating sanctions onto their peers?
- guram11 6y ago> wake up and realize that China is not messing around reality is, just a year ago, no one would have believe an outbreak like covid in China can become a worldwide pandemic that hit this HARD and ended all of our way of lives it's too often we are blind and ignorant to incoming dangers
- starfallg 6y agoPlenty of us that experienced the original SARS knew about the threat of pandemic from China. That's the reason why places like SK and TW were on high alert from the beginning. It's only the rest of us further afield that didn't heed the warning and continued BAU. I was on a flight back from Japan to Heathrow in early March and the only thing they did to contain it was announce that if you feel sick, please report it to the crew. Needless to say, nobody self-reported and they didn't do anything at all in immigration after we landed.
- aaaxyz 6y agoIn the last decade : - Russia annexed Crimea; - Turkey took control of most of the Syrian land across its borders; - Israel continuously colonised bits of Palestinian land; - China is now taking political control of Hong Kong; - UAE forces tool over the Socotra Islands; The West's reactions so far have been ranging from ineffectual economic sanctions to completely ignoring it. I would expect similar "annexations" by nationalist/totalitarian states to continue in the future.
- magicsmoke 6y agoBecause none of those annexations haven't affected "core" territories of the west or their "core" population. The west definitely did not ignore 9/11. Some people are more "western" than others. More specifically, the ones that can vote to mobilize the "western" military. Spill their blood and get demolished. Spill the blood of their worshipers and suddenly their own blood is too valuable to waste.
- srtjstjsj 6y ago9/11 was an used as an excuse for pre-planned actions again unrelated entities. The US made huge efforts to avoid responding to the actual attackers for almost a decade. Iraq was not a threat to the "core".
- baybal2 6y agoYou are completely right.
- adaisadais 6y agoThe West is in many ways equally as guilty but the stakes have changed dramatically. Russia and China are armed to the teeth. Turkey hosts some of the US nuclear weapons as well. The West gets textiles from turkey and China, electronics from China (and many other natural resources), natural resources from UAE and Russia. And Israel has been viewed as a ‘stable’ partner in an unstable area. I would agree that the annexations / subjugations have not been legal or good. And in some ways could be equated to what the Nazis began to do. But again, the stakes have changed. One bad decision could totally wreck the world as we know it. It would make the Second World War look small. I believe the West desperately wants to avoid that. Plus, the US does not have a great (albeit recent) track record with helping out in regards to annexation / subjugation. See Vietnam war and Korean War and War on Terror and Bay of Pigs etc
- oblio 6y agoThis probably implies violence/war. Not many want violence these days.
- peterlk 6y agoWar doesn't care what you want. It's already starting. For example, look at the China/India conflict
- magicsmoke 6y agoThat's a slap fight over bits of ice and rock compared to a real WW2/WW3 style war.
- sgarman 6y agoI don't know if the supply of clean water really counts as rock and ice or slap fighting.
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- magicsmoke 6y agoThe current conflict locations aren't near the headwaters of the Ganges, which are mostly on India's side of the Himalayas. They are near the headwaters for the Indus, but most of that flows to Pakistan.
- bsanr2 6y agoFranz Ferdinand says hi.
- TimTheTinker 6y agoWar happens and is almost continually necessary to keep abusive and hurtful groups at bay. Go fight somewhere else when necessary/appropriate, or the the fight will come to you eventually. These are broad brush strokes, I know, but the principle holds true across the centuries.
- peruvian 6y agoCapital isn't going to let the US or Europe against China until it is entirely unavoidable (e.g. China invades say, Japan or Korea).
- srtjstjsj 6y agoWhy would China do that? It doesn't make money for them.
- apexalpha 6y agoWhy do you think that? Hong Kong has historical ties to China and has always been part of it. The different status for Hong Kong has always been a thorn in China's side due to the Opium wars. I mean outside of areas like Hong Kong and Taiwai that used to be part of China has China ever invaded foreign soil like Western countries to every few years?