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You're essentially saying "I don't care because nobody tried to trick me specifically into installing a snap if I wanted a debian package" - I hope you know tha

You're essentially saying "I don't care because nobody tried to trick me specifically into installing a snap if I wanted a debian package" - I hope you know that on the way forward, Firefox will be snap-shimmed too. The Enterprise Linux ecosystem is a solid alternative to Ubuntu. Fedora for desktop and either CentOS or Fedora for servers, depending on how stable they need to be and how much maintenance you're willing to do.

KozmoNau7 6y ago
And SUSE/openSUSE for an alternative in the same segment. Very similar roots, also RPM-based, but with a different take on things, such as using Btrfs and KDE by default, which I prefer.
- nix23 6y ago
  SUSE (the enterprise edition) uses Gnome as default, i love Opensuse Tumbleweed, but i think Gnome (with the SLES-look) is much more stable than KDE. Anyway i use i3 nearly exclusive. BTW: KDE is not the default, it's just the first in the list :)
- sascha_sl 6y ago
  btrfs is coming to Fedora 33 as default
CarelessExpert 6y ago
> I hope you know that on the way forward, Firefox will be snap-shimmed too. I see, so we're angry about things that haven't happened yet. TIL the OSS community has precogs and this is Minority Report! Look, I get that two whole packages out of literally tens of thousands did this (I've seen lxd and chromium mentioned). But why don't we convict Canonical after they commit their crimes, eh?
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  Surely if it's on the roadmap then better to address it now and potentially avoid it rather than dig in deeper until sunk-cost fallacy suggests there's no way back?
  - CarelessExpert 6y ago
    Sunk costs? How are there greater sunk costs related to switching distros later instead of now if Ubuntu starts actually misbehaving in a significant way? I grant you, if you haven't picked a distro yet and this whole thing bothers you, by all means, pick something else! That's the beauty of the Linux world! But if you're already in the ecosystem (and I have to assume most people complaining are... Otherwise why waste energy complaining about the actions of a company that doesn't affect you) I don't see how the sunk costs fallacy applies here.
    - pdimitar 6y ago
      It's sadly not as easy as you make it sound. I was recommended to use Ubuntu for my work laptop because the IT team couldn't guarantee support if you used another distro. I know my way around and particularly love Manjaro (and worked with Debian and SUSE and Mint) but the company uses proprietary VPN and a spy/monitoring agent and I wasn't sure I'll be able to make those work on a non-Ubuntu machine. So yes, there could be huge sunk costs. After fighting with this work laptop for a full work day to get every single step of the onboarding completed, I am not looking forward to doing it again -- even less so if the proprietary and mandatory programs that I have to install can't be guaranteed to work on anything outside Ubuntu.

KozmoNau7 6y ago

And SUSE/openSUSE for an alternative in the same segment. Very similar roots, also RPM-based, but with a different take on things, such as using Btrfs and KDE by default, which I prefer.

nix23 6y ago
SUSE (the enterprise edition) uses Gnome as default, i love Opensuse Tumbleweed, but i think Gnome (with the SLES-look) is much more stable than KDE. Anyway i use i3 nearly exclusive. BTW: KDE is not the default, it's just the first in the list :)
sascha_sl 6y ago
btrfs is coming to Fedora 33 as default

CarelessExpert 6y ago

> I hope you know that on the way forward, Firefox will be snap-shimmed too. I see, so we're angry about things that haven't happened yet. TIL the OSS community has precogs and this is Minority Report! Look, I get that two whole packages out of literally tens of thousands did this (I've seen lxd and chromium mentioned). But why don't we convict Canonical after they commit their crimes, eh?

pbhjpbhj 6y ago
Surely if it's on the roadmap then better to address it now and potentially avoid it rather than dig in deeper until sunk-cost fallacy suggests there's no way back?
- CarelessExpert 6y ago
  Sunk costs? How are there greater sunk costs related to switching distros later instead of now if Ubuntu starts actually misbehaving in a significant way? I grant you, if you haven't picked a distro yet and this whole thing bothers you, by all means, pick something else! That's the beauty of the Linux world! But if you're already in the ecosystem (and I have to assume most people complaining are... Otherwise why waste energy complaining about the actions of a company that doesn't affect you) I don't see how the sunk costs fallacy applies here.
  - pdimitar 6y ago
    It's sadly not as easy as you make it sound. I was recommended to use Ubuntu for my work laptop because the IT team couldn't guarantee support if you used another distro. I know my way around and particularly love Manjaro (and worked with Debian and SUSE and Mint) but the company uses proprietary VPN and a spy/monitoring agent and I wasn't sure I'll be able to make those work on a non-Ubuntu machine. So yes, there could be huge sunk costs. After fighting with this work laptop for a full work day to get every single step of the onboarding completed, I am not looking forward to doing it again -- even less so if the proprietary and mandatory programs that I have to install can't be guaranteed to work on anything outside Ubuntu.