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>He also made a hard right-wing turn. Is that problematic in and of itself?

by zanmat0 6y ago

scarface74 6y ago
He still believes in the QAnon and PizzaGate conspiracy. That is kind of “problematic”.
- solarkraft 6y ago
  Unfortunately this doesn't seem as unfounded as I had initially thought: https://web.archive.org/web/20200118060902if_/https://twitter.com/notch/status/901192994971410433 https://web.archive.org/web/20200118060902if_/https://twitte... Yet I couldn't clearly claim that he does on the basis of this, as it's just confusing to me, no sure whether that's his flavor of irony. Do you have some more evidence to prove that he believes these things? I had previously seen him as weird and provocative, but not definitely right-wing.
  - brokensegue 6y ago
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Notch https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Notch
- Yetanfou 6y ago
  It isn't problematic, just silly. There is no need to police other people's thoughts as long as they keep within the bounds of the law. He is even free to express those thoughts, within the bounds of the law, just like people are free to hollder 'death to America' during demonstrations in Oakland. One of the pillars of a well-functioning state is that things which are not forbidden by law are allowed. It might not be wise, it might not be smart, it might sound stupid (Qanon) or reprehensible (death to America) but it is allowed.
  - karpierz 6y ago
    I'm confused, you started the argument off by claiming that spreading PizzaGate isn't problematic and then went into a series of arguments for why it should be legal? Can legal things not be problematic?
    - Yetanfou 6y ago
      I'm confused by your confusion given the fact that I clearly stated that whatever someone says has to be within the bounds of the law. As far as I can see there is no room for confusion here, freedom of expression is bounded by certain laws which forbid a number of things. As long as you don't violate those laws you can say whatever you want.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  Some people still think Trump is a Russian agent, on account of 3 years of conspiracy theories being promoted by the left wing media and their loyalists in the CIA and FBI. That's extremely problematic. QAnon and PizzaGate are fringe at best (and its not entirely clear how consequential they are), but probably half the country still does not realize that the Obama administration (and its loyalists) illegally spied on the Trump campaign, entrapped members of Trump admin (General Flynn), and did worse than Nixon could have ever dreamed of.
  - maest 6y ago
    I'm not sure I understand your point?
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      People like to magnify fringe conspiracies while completely ignoring mainstream ones, when the mainstream ones are actually dangerous for democracy. The police power of government was leveraged against a political rival for explicit political reasons and no one has been punished for it. Extremely dangerous precedent.
      - maest 6y ago
        Thta's not what was being discussed, though.
        chrisco255 6y ago
        Yes, it's called a segue. Original topic was Larry Page and neither Q nor pizzagate have anything to do with him.
clumpthump 6y ago
Yes.
- refurb 6y ago
  Stop thinking thoughts I don’t like!!

>He also made a hard right-wing turn. Is that problematic in and of itself?

scarface74 6y ago

He still believes in the QAnon and PizzaGate conspiracy. That is kind of “problematic”.

solarkraft 6y ago
Unfortunately this doesn't seem as unfounded as I had initially thought: https://web.archive.org/web/20200118060902if_/https://twitter.com/notch/status/901192994971410433 https://web.archive.org/web/20200118060902if_/https://twitte... Yet I couldn't clearly claim that he does on the basis of this, as it's just confusing to me, no sure whether that's his flavor of irony. Do you have some more evidence to prove that he believes these things? I had previously seen him as weird and provocative, but not definitely right-wing.
- brokensegue 6y ago
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Notch https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Notch
Yetanfou 6y ago
It isn't problematic, just silly. There is no need to police other people's thoughts as long as they keep within the bounds of the law. He is even free to express those thoughts, within the bounds of the law, just like people are free to hollder 'death to America' during demonstrations in Oakland. One of the pillars of a well-functioning state is that things which are not forbidden by law are allowed. It might not be wise, it might not be smart, it might sound stupid (Qanon) or reprehensible (death to America) but it is allowed.
- karpierz 6y ago
  I'm confused, you started the argument off by claiming that spreading PizzaGate isn't problematic and then went into a series of arguments for why it should be legal? Can legal things not be problematic?
  - Yetanfou 6y ago
    I'm confused by your confusion given the fact that I clearly stated that whatever someone says has to be within the bounds of the law. As far as I can see there is no room for confusion here, freedom of expression is bounded by certain laws which forbid a number of things. As long as you don't violate those laws you can say whatever you want.
chrisco255 6y ago
Some people still think Trump is a Russian agent, on account of 3 years of conspiracy theories being promoted by the left wing media and their loyalists in the CIA and FBI. That's extremely problematic. QAnon and PizzaGate are fringe at best (and its not entirely clear how consequential they are), but probably half the country still does not realize that the Obama administration (and its loyalists) illegally spied on the Trump campaign, entrapped members of Trump admin (General Flynn), and did worse than Nixon could have ever dreamed of.
- maest 6y ago
  I'm not sure I understand your point?
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    People like to magnify fringe conspiracies while completely ignoring mainstream ones, when the mainstream ones are actually dangerous for democracy. The police power of government was leveraged against a political rival for explicit political reasons and no one has been punished for it. Extremely dangerous precedent.
    - maest 6y ago
      Thta's not what was being discussed, though.
      - chrisco255 6y ago
        Yes, it's called a segue. Original topic was Larry Page and neither Q nor pizzagate have anything to do with him.

clumpthump 6y ago

Yes.

refurb 6y ago
Stop thinking thoughts I don’t like!!