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Maybe start by taking their concerns seriously? I mean, I don't think I'm entirely ignorant of the benefits of tech shibboleths like anonymity or decentralizat

Maybe start by taking their concerns seriously? I mean, I don't think I'm entirely ignorant of the benefits of tech shibboleths like anonymity or decentralization, but, as the internet has matured, I have become more aware of, and concerned about, the drawbacks. So I would start by making a mental inventory of valid concerns, first. Then, in discussion, you can contrast the pros and cons, rather than evangelize only. That approach is generally the most persuasive.

raxxorrax 6y ago
Having a persona attached to your online activity is a recent phenomena and has the same disadvantages that people in the public sphere need to endure. People seem to suffer a lot more from this, anonymity provides detachment. You don't talk to the press without PR support. You are not honest in public to limit the angle of attack on your person... there are numerous things that will cause problems other. Ask a celebrity. A non anonymous social network tends to create 2 minute celebrities that can be quite the huge mental load. This problem is magnitudes more applicable than some terrorist propaganda. I am a net power user, mostly anonymous in decentralized networks. I have never seen ISIS propaganda, child pornography or drug trades. Most people are probably groomed outside of the net.
- uniqueid 6y ago
  This reply is pretty much the exact opposite of what I recommend :)
  - raxxorrax 6y ago
    What do you recommend?
    - uniqueid 6y ago
      In an ideal world, I would try to seriously consider and validate what I can about the other person's pov. If I "steel man" their concerns, and still disagree, hopefully I would work through why in a cooperative way with the other person, and the conclusion would feel mutual, as though it were inevitable. Not that I'm noble enough to actually manage that, in real life. It's just, what I would do, if I had sufficient self-discipline.

raxxorrax 6y ago

Having a persona attached to your online activity is a recent phenomena and has the same disadvantages that people in the public sphere need to endure. People seem to suffer a lot more from this, anonymity provides detachment. You don't talk to the press without PR support. You are not honest in public to limit the angle of attack on your person... there are numerous things that will cause problems other. Ask a celebrity. A non anonymous social network tends to create 2 minute celebrities that can be quite the huge mental load. This problem is magnitudes more applicable than some terrorist propaganda. I am a net power user, mostly anonymous in decentralized networks. I have never seen ISIS propaganda, child pornography or drug trades. Most people are probably groomed outside of the net.

uniqueid 6y ago
This reply is pretty much the exact opposite of what I recommend :)
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  What do you recommend?
  - uniqueid 6y ago
    In an ideal world, I would try to seriously consider and validate what I can about the other person's pov. If I "steel man" their concerns, and still disagree, hopefully I would work through why in a cooperative way with the other person, and the conclusion would feel mutual, as though it were inevitable. Not that I'm noble enough to actually manage that, in real life. It's just, what I would do, if I had sufficient self-discipline.