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Native Thunderbolt, much faster clock speeds, and greatly improved graphics. Solid offering all around I think. Should give some competition for the Ryzen 400

by wffurr 6y ago

Native Thunderbolt, much faster clock speeds, and greatly improved graphics. Solid offering all around I think. Should give some competition for the Ryzen 4000-series laptop chips.

tmpz22 6y ago
I don't think this launch competes with even 3000-series or 4800 laptop series AMD chips [1]. [1]: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Every-AMD-Ryzen-7-4800H-laptop-we-ve-tested-thus-far-have-been-outperforming-the-Intel-Core-i7-10875H-and-Core-i9-10980HK-but-there-s-a-catch.466999.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Every-AMD-Ryzen-7-4800H-laptop...
yborg 6y ago
It's been a couple of decades since we saw people praising an Intel offering for being able to compete with AMD. Have to hand it to Lisa Su. Maybe having an engineer running an engineering company is actually a good idea.
- headmelted 6y ago
  Check out the YouTube video where Steve Jobs talks about what went wrong at IBM and Xerox. I think AMD are pretty safe from Intel for a while. That’s not to say they won’t be threatened by other parties, but it’s clear Intel still thinks it’s fabs are it’s biggest problem. (I.e. were I Lisa Su I’d be more concerned about the new ARM chips coming over the hill from Nvidia).
kllrnohj 6y ago
> Native Thunderbolt A nice tweak sure but also irrelevant as a consumer. It just results in one less component on the motherboard, it doesn't change any functionality. > much faster clock speeds Relative to what? Last year's 4c/8t 14nm i7-10510U has a higher boost frequency than any of the chips announced today, and it's also a 15 W TDP CPU. The 4c/8t i7-1185G7's 3ghz base frequency is nice I guess but barely higher than last year's 4c/8t i7-8569U at 2.8ghz base - and both are 28W TDP. Probably, anyway - the 11th gen is listed in the '12-28 W' category but as it's the highest base freq of the listed quad cores I assume it sets the top end of that range. If there's a power improvement here, which is possible, it's not clear in the spec sheet, and I think nobody is buying Intel's marketing claims at this point. So we won't have reasons to be excited here until reviews hit, if a reason to be excited for this exists at all. > greatly improved graphics This is an great upgrade, but only for Intel. It's playing catch up to the Ryzen 4000-series, which means it's not exciting on its own for consumers. Exciting in that competition drives price wars & overall stronger ecosystem, but on its own? Super boring.
- tesseract 6y ago
  Thunderbolt being a built-in freebie rather than requiring a fairly large and expensive separate controller means it might start showing up in mid-range PCs rather than being a niche professional/high-end feature, which in turn increases the market size for Thunderbolt peripherals.
  - SaltySolomon 6y ago
    Its probably only the PHY for it and require additional (expensive) components to implement, just like with the "integrated" 2.5 Ghz.
- fomine3 6y ago
  Integrated Thunderbolt would reduce power consumption. Ice Lake was released with higher IPC and lower clock (due to 10nm issue) but performs well compared to older higher clocked CPUs thanks to IPC. Now Tiger Lake is released in higher clock, why not exciting? For iGPU, both AMD and Intel is mainly limited performance by memory bandwidth, I'm curious whether Intel releases a SKU with eDRAM.
make3 6y ago
improving Intel graphics is not much of a feat

by wffurr 6y ago

Native Thunderbolt, much faster clock speeds, and greatly improved graphics. Solid offering all around I think. Should give some competition for the Ryzen 4000-series laptop chips.

tmpz22 6y ago

I don't think this launch competes with even 3000-series or 4800 laptop series AMD chips [1]. [1]: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Every-AMD-Ryzen-7-4800H-laptop-we-ve-tested-thus-far-have-been-outperforming-the-Intel-Core-i7-10875H-and-Core-i9-10980HK-but-there-s-a-catch.466999.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Every-AMD-Ryzen-7-4800H-laptop...

yborg 6y ago

It's been a couple of decades since we saw people praising an Intel offering for being able to compete with AMD. Have to hand it to Lisa Su. Maybe having an engineer running an engineering company is actually a good idea.

headmelted 6y ago
Check out the YouTube video where Steve Jobs talks about what went wrong at IBM and Xerox. I think AMD are pretty safe from Intel for a while. That’s not to say they won’t be threatened by other parties, but it’s clear Intel still thinks it’s fabs are it’s biggest problem. (I.e. were I Lisa Su I’d be more concerned about the new ARM chips coming over the hill from Nvidia).

kllrnohj 6y ago

> Native Thunderbolt A nice tweak sure but also irrelevant as a consumer. It just results in one less component on the motherboard, it doesn't change any functionality. > much faster clock speeds Relative to what? Last year's 4c/8t 14nm i7-10510U has a higher boost frequency than any of the chips announced today, and it's also a 15 W TDP CPU. The 4c/8t i7-1185G7's 3ghz base frequency is nice I guess but barely higher than last year's 4c/8t i7-8569U at 2.8ghz base - and both are 28W TDP. Probably, anyway - the 11th gen is listed in the '12-28 W' category but as it's the highest base freq of the listed quad cores I assume it sets the top end of that range. If there's a power improvement here, which is possible, it's not clear in the spec sheet, and I think nobody is buying Intel's marketing claims at this point. So we won't have reasons to be excited here until reviews hit, if a reason to be excited for this exists at all. > greatly improved graphics This is an great upgrade, but only for Intel. It's playing catch up to the Ryzen 4000-series, which means it's not exciting on its own for consumers. Exciting in that competition drives price wars & overall stronger ecosystem, but on its own? Super boring.

tesseract 6y ago
Thunderbolt being a built-in freebie rather than requiring a fairly large and expensive separate controller means it might start showing up in mid-range PCs rather than being a niche professional/high-end feature, which in turn increases the market size for Thunderbolt peripherals.
- SaltySolomon 6y ago
  Its probably only the PHY for it and require additional (expensive) components to implement, just like with the "integrated" 2.5 Ghz.
fomine3 6y ago
Integrated Thunderbolt would reduce power consumption. Ice Lake was released with higher IPC and lower clock (due to 10nm issue) but performs well compared to older higher clocked CPUs thanks to IPC. Now Tiger Lake is released in higher clock, why not exciting? For iGPU, both AMD and Intel is mainly limited performance by memory bandwidth, I'm curious whether Intel releases a SKU with eDRAM.

make3 6y ago

improving Intel graphics is not much of a feat