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How does it make a lot of people less safe?

thinkmassive 6y ago
From the article: "each traveler has to touch the same ID card or passport scanner. Then, immediately after touching the scanner, they have to touch their face again to put their mask back on."
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  It's a mag stripe reader isn't it, why do they have to touch it? Presumably you can use hand gel, and take the actions serially. And the whole thing is optional.
  - techsupporter 6y ago
    > And the whole thing is optional. For now. Just like how going through the original "nude-o-scopes" was technically "optional" but TSA employees (I refuse to call them "officers") would give you no end of shit and pointlessly delay anyone who requested an opt-out.
jkinudsjknds 6y ago
I struggle to think of an answer here. Says they're not even saving the camera pictures.
icedchai 6y ago
It is explained in the article. People have to take off their mask, touch the kiosk / card reader, then put their mask on, likely touching their face in the process. This will spread many things, not just covid.
xeromal 6y ago
Trusting your home address and personal info to not only random poorly trained TSA agents but also now storing that info in yet another 3rd party database that will probably be hacked. It increases the likelihood of your info getting leaked.
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  Ok and does that measurably reduce safety? You can get practically everyone's details from marketing companies - the direct increased risk from this seems like it's zero to negligible. The overall risk seems like it's probably falling on the beneficial side as discouraging people with bad intentions from flying likely has a negligibly positive effect on risk.
  - sneak 6y ago
    > Ok and does that measurably reduce safety? You can get practically everyone's details from marketing companies - the direct increased risk from this seems like it's zero to negligible. Not everybody. Lots of us go to great lengths to preserve our privacy when engaging in commercial transactions. You can pay cash, use a cover name, only have things shipped to your postbox/office, or only engage with vendors who have adequate security and privacy practices. You can't fly without engaging with the TSA. They're the only game in town. Additionally, many people in society are especially vulnerable, such as labor or political organizers, investigative journalists, and public officials. Having their home addresses leaked, or their family members' home addresses leaked, poses a direct threat to life and safety. You can opt out of data brokers, or spyware smartphone apps, or use a cover name when you order a delivery sandwich or pizza to the building you sleep in. You can't use a cover name or opt out of the TSA.
    - redler 6y ago
      Likewise, consider that these data will be at the complete and unsupervised disposal of any future politically vindictive "acting" (as has become the fashion) director of homeland security.
    - alasdair_ 6y ago
      > You can't fly without engaging with the TSA. They're the only game in town. If you have enough money you simply fly private. His is one of many reasons why the TSA continues to have problems - senior politicians and wealthy people barely need to deal with them. In some ways it’s like HOV lanes in DC that have rates up to $80 for a single ride. The people most likely to be angered by traffic and to actually have the power to force changes to be made get to skip the traffic. See also any legal issue that can be solved by paying for a good lawyer and a high extra price for “expedited” government service (anything from immigration to getting a passport).
sneak 6y ago
The government having a database of who has traveled to where, and when, and with whom, is something that can be easily leveraged to oppress or discourage the free exercise of a whole bunch of basic rights, like labor or political organizing, or investigative journalism, or whistleblowing. Additionally, demanding ID to board a flight allows them to check against a "no fly list", an arbitrary designation they've created with no presumption of innocence and no burden of proof to be added, resulting in your effective inability to efficiently travel, with no legal recourse to regain this ability if you are placed on this list. Note that being added to the no fly list does not require a criminal conviction or even a basic legal standard like probable cause. Imagine if you could be added to a "no drive list" without ever being accused of a crime or violation, and no way to ever get off.

From the article: "each traveler has to touch the same ID card or passport scanner. Then, immediately after touching the scanner, they have to touch their face again to put their mask back on."

pbhjpbhj 6y ago
It's a mag stripe reader isn't it, why do they have to touch it? Presumably you can use hand gel, and take the actions serially. And the whole thing is optional.
- techsupporter 6y ago
  > And the whole thing is optional. For now. Just like how going through the original "nude-o-scopes" was technically "optional" but TSA employees (I refuse to call them "officers") would give you no end of shit and pointlessly delay anyone who requested an opt-out.

jkinudsjknds 6y ago

I struggle to think of an answer here. Says they're not even saving the camera pictures.

icedchai 6y ago

It is explained in the article. People have to take off their mask, touch the kiosk / card reader, then put their mask on, likely touching their face in the process. This will spread many things, not just covid.

xeromal 6y ago

Trusting your home address and personal info to not only random poorly trained TSA agents but also now storing that info in yet another 3rd party database that will probably be hacked. It increases the likelihood of your info getting leaked.

pbhjpbhj 6y ago
Ok and does that measurably reduce safety? You can get practically everyone's details from marketing companies - the direct increased risk from this seems like it's zero to negligible. The overall risk seems like it's probably falling on the beneficial side as discouraging people with bad intentions from flying likely has a negligibly positive effect on risk.
- sneak 6y ago
  > Ok and does that measurably reduce safety? You can get practically everyone's details from marketing companies - the direct increased risk from this seems like it's zero to negligible. Not everybody. Lots of us go to great lengths to preserve our privacy when engaging in commercial transactions. You can pay cash, use a cover name, only have things shipped to your postbox/office, or only engage with vendors who have adequate security and privacy practices. You can't fly without engaging with the TSA. They're the only game in town. Additionally, many people in society are especially vulnerable, such as labor or political organizers, investigative journalists, and public officials. Having their home addresses leaked, or their family members' home addresses leaked, poses a direct threat to life and safety. You can opt out of data brokers, or spyware smartphone apps, or use a cover name when you order a delivery sandwich or pizza to the building you sleep in. You can't use a cover name or opt out of the TSA.
  - redler 6y ago
    Likewise, consider that these data will be at the complete and unsupervised disposal of any future politically vindictive "acting" (as has become the fashion) director of homeland security.
  - alasdair_ 6y ago
    > You can't fly without engaging with the TSA. They're the only game in town. If you have enough money you simply fly private. His is one of many reasons why the TSA continues to have problems - senior politicians and wealthy people barely need to deal with them. In some ways it’s like HOV lanes in DC that have rates up to $80 for a single ride. The people most likely to be angered by traffic and to actually have the power to force changes to be made get to skip the traffic. See also any legal issue that can be solved by paying for a good lawyer and a high extra price for “expedited” government service (anything from immigration to getting a passport).

sneak 6y ago

The government having a database of who has traveled to where, and when, and with whom, is something that can be easily leveraged to oppress or discourage the free exercise of a whole bunch of basic rights, like labor or political organizing, or investigative journalism, or whistleblowing. Additionally, demanding ID to board a flight allows them to check against a "no fly list", an arbitrary designation they've created with no presumption of innocence and no burden of proof to be added, resulting in your effective inability to efficiently travel, with no legal recourse to regain this ability if you are placed on this list. Note that being added to the no fly list does not require a criminal conviction or even a basic legal standard like probable cause. Imagine if you could be added to a "no drive list" without ever being accused of a crime or violation, and no way to ever get off.