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It's not as easy as it seems, I'm sure. But it's extremely compensated well for what is essentially unskilled labor. Sure, it has some disadvantages, but I'm f

It's not as easy as it seems, I'm sure. But it's extremely compensated well for what is essentially unskilled labor. Sure, it has some disadvantages, but I'm fairly certain that for most people the advantages far outweigh them.

notyourday 6y ago
> It's not as easy as it seems, I'm sure. But it's extremely compensated well for what is essentially unskilled labor. This is a fundamental mistake that people make when discussing this. As in any content market the money is in the head. Both tail and the long tail could do 2x the work of the head and receive nearly no compensation.
- luckylion 6y ago
  Are they staying in the market? If you're doing it for 50 hours a week for barely any compensation, isn't it more of a hobby. I'm not saying that every cam girl is getting mega rich from it, but they're making good money in relation to the effort required. There's not zero effort but it's also not something you need to go to uni for three years and then spend time as a junior cam girl getting experience. Which is fine, btw, I don't mind it, but I always find it weird when the image is presented blurry as in "we can't really tell whether it's a professional<=>customer relationships or just two people interacting socially", because I think we generally can tell very well.
  - KSteffensen 6y ago
    > If you're doing it for 50 hours a week for barely any compensation, isn't it more of a hobby. By that argument cleaning hotel rooms is a hobby.
    - luckylion 6y ago
      If you have alternatives to cleaning hotel rooms, it would be. There aren't any for most that work there though. If they didn't make money on Only Fans, normal jobs are still available, and if you make next to nothing, even cleaning hotel rooms might be a step up. My impression is that many of those that make very little (on the platform, in relation to the top stars) make enough in relation to their time input that it beats cleaning hotel rooms or waitressing.
  - notyourday 6y ago
    > Are they staying in the market? If you're doing it for 50 hours a week for barely any compensation, isn't it more of a hobby. Because they read that it is easy money. It is repeated time and time again by the cam work is work crowd.
stouset 6y ago
It's not as unskilled as you might think it is. Professionals here put in a lot of thought and effort to their promoting their specific niche, brand, etc. Many of them have a solid understanding of lighting and photography and employ that knowledge to improve their work. This is about as insulting as saying photography is "unskilled labor". Sure, anyone can take a photograph. But the people who are at the top are generally there because of hard work and business smarts.
- CapricornNoble 6y ago
  Can you articulate how this particular Twitch streamer is employing deep knowledge and thought to improve her work? To the tune of $250k+ compensation? Can't anyone hire someone with experience in theater/film lighting to setup their stream studio with a day's labor? https://twitter.com/gundamishere/status/1106672499796951040?lang=en https://twitter.com/gundamishere/status/1106672499796951040?...
  - chillwaves 6y ago
    So are you saying just because she is pretty she can pull in those $$? Because there are a lot of pretty women in the world and I would say 99% aren't 1% as successful. There is definitely skill and knowledge involved.
    - CapricornNoble 6y ago
      >>Because there are a lot of pretty women in the world and I would say 99% aren't 1% as successful. 99% of the pretty women aren't leveraging a tech platform to directly extract resources from lonely dudes across the entire planet. It's more due to ignorance of their options for monetizing their sexuality than it is well-developed and unique skillsets. I've actually been debating starting a CamStudio with a friend of mine, as I've met more than a few cute women who don't grasp the concept of "You can make more money by just sitting your butt in front of a computer monitor all day in makeup and a low-cut top". Anyone who has worked in a cabaret, a "girls bar/snack bar", or a strip club understands the basics of talking to the Johns, and appearance-enhancing makeup and outfits. Camming/streaming just combines their social skills with IT/technical support to expand their potential client base. They won't become Belle Delphine overnight but there's a lot of room for low-effort revenue growth with a bit of management and guidance, IMO.
chii 6y ago
> But it's extremely compensated well for what is essentially unskilled labor. skill doesn't determine compensation - supply and demand does. If an action is unskilled, but has high demand and low supply, then said action will fetch a much higher price than another action which requires much skill, but has high supply. And being on onlyfans is not unskilled - you need skill. Natural born skill is still considered a skill, and you will also need to be photogenic (or video-genic?). Being entertaining is also a skill, tho not always required.

notyourday 6y ago

> It's not as easy as it seems, I'm sure. But it's extremely compensated well for what is essentially unskilled labor. This is a fundamental mistake that people make when discussing this. As in any content market the money is in the head. Both tail and the long tail could do 2x the work of the head and receive nearly no compensation.

luckylion 6y ago
Are they staying in the market? If you're doing it for 50 hours a week for barely any compensation, isn't it more of a hobby. I'm not saying that every cam girl is getting mega rich from it, but they're making good money in relation to the effort required. There's not zero effort but it's also not something you need to go to uni for three years and then spend time as a junior cam girl getting experience. Which is fine, btw, I don't mind it, but I always find it weird when the image is presented blurry as in "we can't really tell whether it's a professional<=>customer relationships or just two people interacting socially", because I think we generally can tell very well.
- KSteffensen 6y ago
  > If you're doing it for 50 hours a week for barely any compensation, isn't it more of a hobby. By that argument cleaning hotel rooms is a hobby.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    If you have alternatives to cleaning hotel rooms, it would be. There aren't any for most that work there though. If they didn't make money on Only Fans, normal jobs are still available, and if you make next to nothing, even cleaning hotel rooms might be a step up. My impression is that many of those that make very little (on the platform, in relation to the top stars) make enough in relation to their time input that it beats cleaning hotel rooms or waitressing.
- notyourday 6y ago
  > Are they staying in the market? If you're doing it for 50 hours a week for barely any compensation, isn't it more of a hobby. Because they read that it is easy money. It is repeated time and time again by the cam work is work crowd.

stouset 6y ago

It's not as unskilled as you might think it is. Professionals here put in a lot of thought and effort to their promoting their specific niche, brand, etc. Many of them have a solid understanding of lighting and photography and employ that knowledge to improve their work. This is about as insulting as saying photography is "unskilled labor". Sure, anyone can take a photograph. But the people who are at the top are generally there because of hard work and business smarts.

CapricornNoble 6y ago
Can you articulate how this particular Twitch streamer is employing deep knowledge and thought to improve her work? To the tune of $250k+ compensation? Can't anyone hire someone with experience in theater/film lighting to setup their stream studio with a day's labor? https://twitter.com/gundamishere/status/1106672499796951040?lang=en https://twitter.com/gundamishere/status/1106672499796951040?...
- chillwaves 6y ago
  So are you saying just because she is pretty she can pull in those $$? Because there are a lot of pretty women in the world and I would say 99% aren't 1% as successful. There is definitely skill and knowledge involved.
  - CapricornNoble 6y ago
    >>Because there are a lot of pretty women in the world and I would say 99% aren't 1% as successful. 99% of the pretty women aren't leveraging a tech platform to directly extract resources from lonely dudes across the entire planet. It's more due to ignorance of their options for monetizing their sexuality than it is well-developed and unique skillsets. I've actually been debating starting a CamStudio with a friend of mine, as I've met more than a few cute women who don't grasp the concept of "You can make more money by just sitting your butt in front of a computer monitor all day in makeup and a low-cut top". Anyone who has worked in a cabaret, a "girls bar/snack bar", or a strip club understands the basics of talking to the Johns, and appearance-enhancing makeup and outfits. Camming/streaming just combines their social skills with IT/technical support to expand their potential client base. They won't become Belle Delphine overnight but there's a lot of room for low-effort revenue growth with a bit of management and guidance, IMO.

chii 6y ago

> But it's extremely compensated well for what is essentially unskilled labor. skill doesn't determine compensation - supply and demand does. If an action is unskilled, but has high demand and low supply, then said action will fetch a much higher price than another action which requires much skill, but has high supply. And being on onlyfans is not unskilled - you need skill. Natural born skill is still considered a skill, and you will also need to be photogenic (or video-genic?). Being entertaining is also a skill, tho not always required.