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It gets me to wondering: how hard would it be to create computer generated OnlyFans models (actors? performers?) and set up some chat bots to interact with fans

It gets me to wondering: how hard would it be to create computer generated OnlyFans models (actors? performers?) and set up some chat bots to interact with fans? Even if the chat bot would lack verisimilitude, I can imagine outsourcing the messages to developing countries and adding some tools to let them make quick, cash-generating responses more efficiently.

mrguyorama 6y ago
You've reinvented half of the scams that are run out of business buildings in nigeria
actuator 6y ago
Unethical but I won't be surprised if that is exactly what's happening. Once you have the media, you just need a person to chat up and insert that media. For all we know, that can be a dude. For content as well, you can scrape other platforms and create a new identity.
- HenryBemis 6y ago
  Wasn't it disclosed through the Ashley Madison hack that they were employing bots (and real people) to keep the clients busy and lure them into buying more "chatting privileges" (number of messages etc.? So this has already happened to some degree. As AI (aka humans teaching computers) to make for better "hungrier" chatboxes, with the escalation (buy more messages, send client to next tier), sell a "more personalized package" (to use the parent comment of his friend). This could do a nice Black Mirror episode. Like the one where she lost her husband, her friend registered for the Tier1 service and it went on from that..
TeamTurtle 6y ago
Pretty sure the term you're looking for is e-whoring and it's a thing.
xwdv 6y ago
I actually had been thinking alone these lines myself. Disclaimer though: I have very unethical ideas around technology and if that offends you don't bother reading and don't downvote the hell out of me, just move on, this is only a thought, but consider this: Imagine you come across an instagram profile of a woman with a lot of followers who you think would make some damn good money on OnlyFans, but for whatever reason she will never do that. If you could find a woman with her similar body shape, you could create deep fake videos using that women performing various sexual acts, but use the face of the woman using her instagram selfies, which inevitably she will have tons of on her profile. You could then create a marketing funnel, privately following and DMing male followers from some "Instagram business account" cloned from some of the girls pics and perhaps some deep faked pics, and invite them to your OnlyFans page that you create for her. Setup some low cost individuals who can reply to chat messages competently 24/7, and you now have a full working product setup and ready to produce profits. You can then continue doing this with more instagram girls, each time you do you must be careful who you market to to avoid detection, you don't want to end up having to "burn" a girl that could make some good money, but it's no big deal because your central operation won't be threatened unless someone can tie all the accounts together and ban you. This could probably make about $5k a month per girl. Should scale well.
- elliekelly 6y ago
  In addition to being a total scumbag move, using the face of a real identifiable person would be criminal in many jurisdictions even if the photos/videos were computer generated.
  - xwdv 6y ago
    Just don’t conduct operations in those jurisdictions then.
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CapricornNoble 6y ago
>>>It gets me to wondering: how hard would it be to create computer generated OnlyFans models (actors? performers?) and set up some chat bots to interact with fans? Arguably, this has been attempted already with Projekt Melody. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projekt_Melody https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projekt_Melody Twitch suspended the account, and a bunch of biological female streamers were pissed that a computer-generated female was cutting into their market.
- an_opabinia 6y ago
  It's an open question if Twitch gets anything out of non-pro-gaming streamers. Ultimately those dollars come at the expense of others, there is limited attention and money, it really isn't something that would just exist elsewhere. For example people also spend a lot of money on virtual slot machine games, so much so they were usually one out of every 11 apps in Apple's top grossing, back when they reported this list. It couldn't possibly be healthy for the app ecosystem, it sucks the air out of the room for other developers making creative or useful stuff. Sure it makes money, but a lot of things make money, it's stupid to reduce the effect of virtual slot machine games down to, "Well its users wouldn't spend the dollars elsewhere, and the more money to Apple the better, so it helps everyone." The success of virtual slot machines has hurt video game developers, because financiers expect you to reproduce their mechanics, even though their expectation that it's all about mechanics is wrong. Hence many games with pointless slot machine mechanics. Nobody needs OnlyFans. OnlyFans harms earnest creators, it ghettoizes earnest female creators especially because your agent, your manager, your friends, your family, your viewers - they will now expect that the surest way to make money is selling your body, and not by having any real talent or skills. OnlyFans and its porn stars have completely co-opted well-meaning people with this talk about sex work, COVID, it sucks to live in Bulgaria and whatever. Bella Thorne is of course a huge hack, it is preposterous she is repeatedly being given a platform by the media where the net result will be, more people will stop trying hard and gamble on being nude online. They're not the only platform. TikTok is full of talentless hacks too, who simply win a random Internet lottery and are completely and utterly distorting earnest creativity and opportunities for hard working people. Facebook, Twitter and YouTube also reward SEO / ripping off other people's stuff much more than creating something original. This "well it makes money" bullshit has to end.
qtplatypus 6y ago
So basically what Kizuna Ai pretends to be but for real?

mrguyorama 6y ago

You've reinvented half of the scams that are run out of business buildings in nigeria

actuator 6y ago

Unethical but I won't be surprised if that is exactly what's happening. Once you have the media, you just need a person to chat up and insert that media. For all we know, that can be a dude. For content as well, you can scrape other platforms and create a new identity.

HenryBemis 6y ago
Wasn't it disclosed through the Ashley Madison hack that they were employing bots (and real people) to keep the clients busy and lure them into buying more "chatting privileges" (number of messages etc.? So this has already happened to some degree. As AI (aka humans teaching computers) to make for better "hungrier" chatboxes, with the escalation (buy more messages, send client to next tier), sell a "more personalized package" (to use the parent comment of his friend). This could do a nice Black Mirror episode. Like the one where she lost her husband, her friend registered for the Tier1 service and it went on from that..

TeamTurtle 6y ago

Pretty sure the term you're looking for is e-whoring and it's a thing.

xwdv 6y ago

I actually had been thinking alone these lines myself. Disclaimer though: I have very unethical ideas around technology and if that offends you don't bother reading and don't downvote the hell out of me, just move on, this is only a thought, but consider this: Imagine you come across an instagram profile of a woman with a lot of followers who you think would make some damn good money on OnlyFans, but for whatever reason she will never do that. If you could find a woman with her similar body shape, you could create deep fake videos using that women performing various sexual acts, but use the face of the woman using her instagram selfies, which inevitably she will have tons of on her profile. You could then create a marketing funnel, privately following and DMing male followers from some "Instagram business account" cloned from some of the girls pics and perhaps some deep faked pics, and invite them to your OnlyFans page that you create for her. Setup some low cost individuals who can reply to chat messages competently 24/7, and you now have a full working product setup and ready to produce profits. You can then continue doing this with more instagram girls, each time you do you must be careful who you market to to avoid detection, you don't want to end up having to "burn" a girl that could make some good money, but it's no big deal because your central operation won't be threatened unless someone can tie all the accounts together and ban you. This could probably make about $5k a month per girl. Should scale well.

elliekelly 6y ago
In addition to being a total scumbag move, using the face of a real identifiable person would be criminal in many jurisdictions even if the photos/videos were computer generated.
- xwdv 6y ago
  Just don’t conduct operations in those jurisdictions then.

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CapricornNoble 6y ago

>>>It gets me to wondering: how hard would it be to create computer generated OnlyFans models (actors? performers?) and set up some chat bots to interact with fans? Arguably, this has been attempted already with Projekt Melody. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projekt_Melody https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projekt_Melody Twitch suspended the account, and a bunch of biological female streamers were pissed that a computer-generated female was cutting into their market.

an_opabinia 6y ago
It's an open question if Twitch gets anything out of non-pro-gaming streamers. Ultimately those dollars come at the expense of others, there is limited attention and money, it really isn't something that would just exist elsewhere. For example people also spend a lot of money on virtual slot machine games, so much so they were usually one out of every 11 apps in Apple's top grossing, back when they reported this list. It couldn't possibly be healthy for the app ecosystem, it sucks the air out of the room for other developers making creative or useful stuff. Sure it makes money, but a lot of things make money, it's stupid to reduce the effect of virtual slot machine games down to, "Well its users wouldn't spend the dollars elsewhere, and the more money to Apple the better, so it helps everyone." The success of virtual slot machines has hurt video game developers, because financiers expect you to reproduce their mechanics, even though their expectation that it's all about mechanics is wrong. Hence many games with pointless slot machine mechanics. Nobody needs OnlyFans. OnlyFans harms earnest creators, it ghettoizes earnest female creators especially because your agent, your manager, your friends, your family, your viewers - they will now expect that the surest way to make money is selling your body, and not by having any real talent or skills. OnlyFans and its porn stars have completely co-opted well-meaning people with this talk about sex work, COVID, it sucks to live in Bulgaria and whatever. Bella Thorne is of course a huge hack, it is preposterous she is repeatedly being given a platform by the media where the net result will be, more people will stop trying hard and gamble on being nude online. They're not the only platform. TikTok is full of talentless hacks too, who simply win a random Internet lottery and are completely and utterly distorting earnest creativity and opportunities for hard working people. Facebook, Twitter and YouTube also reward SEO / ripping off other people's stuff much more than creating something original. This "well it makes money" bullshit has to end.

qtplatypus 6y ago

So basically what Kizuna Ai pretends to be but for real?