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That is one part of it, another part is believing the current political state is because of Russians, too much free speech and lacking internet regulation. That

That is one part of it, another part is believing the current political state is because of Russians, too much free speech and lacking internet regulation. That is not less bonkers than quite some conspiracy theories I read about. edit: The wikipedia article on free speech is still pretty good.

konjin 6y ago
Reds under the beds. You'd think that McCarthy 2.0 would be a Republican ploy.
- krapp 6y ago
  >You'd think that McCarthy 2.0 would be a Republican ploy. It is. Where do you think the narrative that all mainstream and social media, BLM, Antifa, academia, the CDC, the WHO, the UN and the Democratic Party are all controlled by the same sinister neo-marxist agenda comes from? That "leftists" are engaged in wholesale political suppression and outright violence against white males, conservatives and christians? I mean, we're even past the point on the fascism timeline where "leftists" are being tossed into unmarked vans and targeted by armed vigilantes, and most people have swallowed the red scare pill hard enough that they just cheer it on.
  - konjin 6y ago
    >That "leftists" are engaged in wholesale political suppression and outright violence against white males, conservatives and christians? I was going to look for the video of the guy being chased by a mob and being called a murderer for defending himself. But then I found this gem on the front page of reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/iki45f/really_weird_isnt_it/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/iki45f/rea... > According to the police report, a student pulled up a girl's dress inside of a classroom at Central High School. The victim then grabbed a pair of scissors. She tried multiple times to stab the student before she connected. https://www.fox13memphis.com/top-stories/teen-stabbed-with-scissors-after-pulling-students-dress-up-at-memphis-school-police-say/743287735/ https://www.fox13memphis.com/top-stories/teen-stabbed-with-s... So 100k people think that multiple stabbings and chasing someone is a tempered response to "sexual assault", but shooting at someone while being chased by a mob isn't. Yes, the "left" are engaged in wholesale political suppression and outright violence against white males, conservatives and christians. And you have to be an idiot or racist not to see it.
    - krapp 6y ago
      >Yes, the "left" are engaged in wholesale political suppression and outright violence against white males, conservatives and christians. And you have to be an idiot or racist not to see it. Thank you for presenting yourself as an example of the neo-McCarthyist paranoia I was talking about. I rest my case. Just be sure to check under your bed tonight in case one of those dirty leftists is hiding there.
      - konjin 6y ago
        You need to make a case to rest it first. Notice that I never said the right isn't doing the same thing. But that would require being able to think, something the left and right brain worms stop their victims from doing. I hope you get the help you need. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
pfraze 6y ago
That's not giving the Russia situation the nuance it deserves. The controversy is about the ability for motivated & funded actors to manufacture consent by exploiting weaknesses in the design of social media. That's a credible weakness in the design. The proposed solutions do merit criticism, because nobody has offered anything better than platform censorship, which destroys the authenticity of free speech.
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  It doesn't deserve much nuance though. We had years of articles describing election interference and lying to people through that whole time. I guess you could claim that Putin is even worse and just kills his opposition, but that doesn't justify the blatant lies. Be reminded that it was also used as a justification to defame whistle blowers as Russian assets.
  - pfraze 6y ago
    Russian interference covers at least 4 behaviors: manufactured consent online, hacking the dnc/rnc, hacking voting equipment, and the compromise of the president. All of those are serious, all of them are credible, and none of them can be passed off as “lies.”

konjin 6y ago

Reds under the beds. You'd think that McCarthy 2.0 would be a Republican ploy.

krapp 6y ago
>You'd think that McCarthy 2.0 would be a Republican ploy. It is. Where do you think the narrative that all mainstream and social media, BLM, Antifa, academia, the CDC, the WHO, the UN and the Democratic Party are all controlled by the same sinister neo-marxist agenda comes from? That "leftists" are engaged in wholesale political suppression and outright violence against white males, conservatives and christians? I mean, we're even past the point on the fascism timeline where "leftists" are being tossed into unmarked vans and targeted by armed vigilantes, and most people have swallowed the red scare pill hard enough that they just cheer it on.
- konjin 6y ago
  >That "leftists" are engaged in wholesale political suppression and outright violence against white males, conservatives and christians? I was going to look for the video of the guy being chased by a mob and being called a murderer for defending himself. But then I found this gem on the front page of reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/iki45f/really_weird_isnt_it/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/iki45f/rea... > According to the police report, a student pulled up a girl's dress inside of a classroom at Central High School. The victim then grabbed a pair of scissors. She tried multiple times to stab the student before she connected. https://www.fox13memphis.com/top-stories/teen-stabbed-with-scissors-after-pulling-students-dress-up-at-memphis-school-police-say/743287735/ https://www.fox13memphis.com/top-stories/teen-stabbed-with-s... So 100k people think that multiple stabbings and chasing someone is a tempered response to "sexual assault", but shooting at someone while being chased by a mob isn't. Yes, the "left" are engaged in wholesale political suppression and outright violence against white males, conservatives and christians. And you have to be an idiot or racist not to see it.
  - krapp 6y ago
    >Yes, the "left" are engaged in wholesale political suppression and outright violence against white males, conservatives and christians. And you have to be an idiot or racist not to see it. Thank you for presenting yourself as an example of the neo-McCarthyist paranoia I was talking about. I rest my case. Just be sure to check under your bed tonight in case one of those dirty leftists is hiding there.
    - konjin 6y ago
      You need to make a case to rest it first. Notice that I never said the right isn't doing the same thing. But that would require being able to think, something the left and right brain worms stop their victims from doing. I hope you get the help you need. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

pfraze 6y ago

That's not giving the Russia situation the nuance it deserves. The controversy is about the ability for motivated & funded actors to manufacture consent by exploiting weaknesses in the design of social media. That's a credible weakness in the design. The proposed solutions do merit criticism, because nobody has offered anything better than platform censorship, which destroys the authenticity of free speech.

raxxorrax 6y ago
It doesn't deserve much nuance though. We had years of articles describing election interference and lying to people through that whole time. I guess you could claim that Putin is even worse and just kills his opposition, but that doesn't justify the blatant lies. Be reminded that it was also used as a justification to defame whistle blowers as Russian assets.
- pfraze 6y ago
  Russian interference covers at least 4 behaviors: manufactured consent online, hacking the dnc/rnc, hacking voting equipment, and the compromise of the president. All of those are serious, all of them are credible, and none of them can be passed off as “lies.”