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Once real ID and contact tracing lead to a social credit system we could mass produce polygraph machines and attach the feed back to your new centralized login.

Once real ID and contact tracing lead to a social credit system we could mass produce polygraph machines and attach the feed back to your new centralized login. Shrink it down enough and add a polygraph module to every phone. That way any time you post, people could see your polygraph results and know that there's an 80% (?) chance you're telling the truth.

ceejayoz 6y ago
Polygraph machines don't actually work.
- Threeve303 6y ago
  I have been reading about them lately. What's interesting is that some studies show about a coin flips chance of it being correct while others show upwards of 85%. Obviously what I said would never work but I've been trying to think about a technical solution to lies and misinformation. I'm not sure there is going to be one.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > What's interesting is that some studies show about a coin flips chance of it being correct while others show upwards of 85%. This may reflect their effectiveness as an interrogation technique - folks who believe they work may be more likely to confess, as they think it's all over.
    - Threeve303 6y ago
      That must be the difference. Reminds me of a scene from The Wire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgrO_rAaiq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgrO_rAaiq0
bjt2n3904 6y ago
Poe's law in action?
matthewbauer 6y ago
I would bet the president could easily pass a polygraph on even some of the most ridiculous claims (thousands and thousands of people cheering after 9/11[1], etc.) You can pass a polygraph test if you believe your own misinformation. [1]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/nov/22/donald-trump/fact-checking-trumps-claim-thousands-new-jersey-ch/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/nov/22/donald-tru...
raxxorrax 6y ago
And then we could electrocute them if they tell something wrong.
kaiju0 6y ago
You missed the part where people believe their own madness
dane-pgp 6y ago
> we could mass produce polygraph machines Supposedly the government only needs a camera pointed at you, and an AI processing the stream: https://www.fastcompany.com/40575672/goodbye-polygraphs-new-tech-uses-ai-to-tell-if-youre-lying https://www.fastcompany.com/40575672/goodbye-polygraphs-new-... Alternatively, they just need to hear your voice over the phone, if the system used by insurance companies works: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/insurance-claimants-to-undergo-lie-detector-test-pvf7dtwq5nz https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/insurance-claimants-to-un...

ceejayoz 6y ago

Polygraph machines don't actually work.

Threeve303 6y ago
I have been reading about them lately. What's interesting is that some studies show about a coin flips chance of it being correct while others show upwards of 85%. Obviously what I said would never work but I've been trying to think about a technical solution to lies and misinformation. I'm not sure there is going to be one.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > What's interesting is that some studies show about a coin flips chance of it being correct while others show upwards of 85%. This may reflect their effectiveness as an interrogation technique - folks who believe they work may be more likely to confess, as they think it's all over.
  - Threeve303 6y ago
    That must be the difference. Reminds me of a scene from The Wire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgrO_rAaiq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgrO_rAaiq0

bjt2n3904 6y ago

Poe's law in action?

matthewbauer 6y ago

I would bet the president could easily pass a polygraph on even some of the most ridiculous claims (thousands and thousands of people cheering after 9/11[1], etc.) You can pass a polygraph test if you believe your own misinformation. [1]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/nov/22/donald-trump/fact-checking-trumps-claim-thousands-new-jersey-ch/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/nov/22/donald-tru...

raxxorrax 6y ago

And then we could electrocute them if they tell something wrong.

kaiju0 6y ago

You missed the part where people believe their own madness

dane-pgp 6y ago

> we could mass produce polygraph machines Supposedly the government only needs a camera pointed at you, and an AI processing the stream: https://www.fastcompany.com/40575672/goodbye-polygraphs-new-tech-uses-ai-to-tell-if-youre-lying https://www.fastcompany.com/40575672/goodbye-polygraphs-new-... Alternatively, they just need to hear your voice over the phone, if the system used by insurance companies works: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/insurance-claimants-to-undergo-lie-detector-test-pvf7dtwq5nz https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/insurance-claimants-to-un...