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Spotify censored Joe Rogan episodes

60 points by nem_pet 6y ago

Episodes: 1461 Owen Smith 1458 d'Elia 1356 Michael Shermer 1303 Tommy Chong 1296 Joe List 1255 Alex Jones Returns 1182 Nick Kroll 1164 Mikhaila Peterson 1093 Owen Benjamin / Kurt Metzger 998 Owen Benjamin 980 Chris d'Elia 979 Sargon of Akkad (Edit): the whole list can be found https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ikf9at/full_list_of_every_missing_episode_from_spotify/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ikf9at/full_list_...

raxxorrax 6y ago
I don't know his show, but these are probably the episodes that are most interesting. Controversial stuff is often the most interesting...
- bigbassroller 6y ago
  classic Barbara Streisand Effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
- mhh__ 6y ago
  I think some of these might just be cleaning up for advertising? e.g. "Sarkon of Akkad" (Carl Benjamin) is an unpleasant liar who once declared "I wouldn't even rape you" to a politician online - not exactly perfect for advertiser's on Spotify Free?
  - raxxorrax 6y ago
    Hm, yes "cleaned up" content for advertisers would fall exactly into that category. I think he should prefer platforms where advertisers cannot make editorial decisions. This should be clearly communicated to users, so that animosity from controversial topics is not directed at advertisers.
    - Emphere 6y ago
      But in practice, directing animosity at advertisers and platforms is an effective way to remove content you don't like. It doesn't matter if the platform/advertisers says that they don't necessarily endorse the content--there's nothing stopping users from pressuring them regardless.
sfgweilr4f 6y ago
Now we know which episodes are the most interesting. Also which guests reveal who/what can't be criticised or discussed. That said, I'm not surprised that Alex "they're turnin' the friggin frogs gay" Jones is on that list.
- gridlockd 6y ago
  I suspect this has to be more to do with particular things said on these episodes that may make Spotify legally liable, rather than a blacklist of people. Eddie Bravo and Joey Diaz have been on tons of episodes other than the ones listed. I can't even imagine JRE without Joey as a regular. Some people strike me as particularly odd for blacklisting: Louis Theroux, Brian Dunning and Rickson Gracie must be politically uncontroversial, unless I'm missing something.
  - rbecker 6y ago
    > I suspect this has to be more to do with particular things said on these episodes that may make Spotify legally liable Are those episodes listed on Spotify as "Censored to avoid legal liability"? Or perhaps as "Unavailable due to legal reasons"? Or were they just quietly disappeared, and it was up to a random redditor to reveal that censorship even took place?
  - aaron695 6y ago
    The Louis Theroux episode is blocked in some countries for copyright by A+E Networks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjeV2_hKLao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjeV2_hKLao But most there are censorship not copyright.
- aaron695 6y ago
  Yes, things being put into water were claimed by scientist to be turning frogs gay, which is why he made the comment. "Scientists are continuing to sound the alarm about some common chemicals, including the herbicide atrazine, and link them to changes in reproductive health and development. Endocrine disrupting toxic chemicals have been found to feminize male frogs and cause homosexual behavior. " (2011) https://www.loe.org/shows/segments.html?programID=11-P13-00001&segmentID=7 https://www.loe.org/shows/segments.html?programID=11-P13-000... He even goes to lengths to say he doesn't hate gay people, he just doesn't want to be turned gay without consent. "And I'm not saying people didn't naturally have homosexual feelings. I'm not even getting into it, quite frankly. I mean, give me a break. Do you think I'm like, oh, shocked by it, so I'm up here bashing it because I don't like gay people?" Him saying it, and I do get what he's doing, putting real media bullshit together to form a narrative - https://youtu.be/THFoayEgsV8?t=291 https://youtu.be/THFoayEgsV8?t=291 So yes, I do want to see him, it's important to see what he's really like. It takes to seconds for his fans to know the frogs are gay from polluted water is a science thing.
1cvmask 6y ago
Does anyone know if Joe Rogan allows for censorship on the part of Spotify? Tommy Chong the comedian has managed to make the list of censored folks. Now I feel compelled to look up the others.
- LatteLazy 6y ago
  When he first announced the move, he expressly stated they would not be censoring future episodes or interfering at all, he would maintain 100% control... Edit, source in case it's relevant: >"It will remain free, and it will be the exact same show," said Rogan. "It's just a licensing deal, so Spotify won't have any creative control over the show. >"They want me to just continue doing it the way I'm doing it right now. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52736364 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52736364
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    How is that possible? What happened that guarantees every future potential episode is spotifyable yet past episodes weren't? If he's telling the truth, why aren't his first 10 episodes him an past guests reading the transcript of censored episodes?
    - LatteLazy 6y ago
      Not sure, we will have to see. I like Joe, so maybe Spotify thought they could pull this and no one would notice? Or maybe they're replying on (I heard) $100m being enough money to buy some flexibility? Maybe they're making a show of it so he can make a show of insisting they're replaced so no one thinks he has sold out? It's sort of confusing because Joe Rogan is Joe Rogan. It's not like he suddenly changes position or he's ever been PC and family friendly or whatever this edit is meant to get to. Either way, something is dodgy as fuck.
polytely 6y ago
Weird to see Louis Theroux on that list, who isn't that controversial at all, is Spotify afraid to incur the wrath of Scientology?
- dogma1138 6y ago
  It looks like there was a copyright strike against that video which could be the reason why that episode wasn’t on boarded.
jasode 6y ago
Fyi... part of Rogan's deal he signed with Spotify requires him to delete his videos from Youtube by the end of the year so Spotify becomes the "exclusive" place for JRE. I didn't know about this until a few weeks ago. Apparently, some folks have already archived (i.e. youtube-dl) all of his old videos before they disappear.[0] It would be interesting to check back next year and see if these Spotify rejected/censored podcasts remain on Youtube. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/gmuoyu/joe_rogans_podcast_will_only_be_available_on/ https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/gmuoyu/joe_rog...
- hayd 6y ago
  I don't think this is the case. It's that new episodes will be exclusive to Spotify and won't be uploaded to YouTube. edit: No, my mistake, the suggestion is that all but 100 or so videos will be migrated and then deleted from YouTube. I guess I'd misunderstood the earlier statements!
jcims 6y ago
Full list from here: https://old.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ikf9at/full_list_of_every_missing_episode_from_spotify/ https://old.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ikf9at/full_list_... The Joe Rogan Experience - #1461 - Owen Smith The Joe Rogan Experience - #1458 - Chris D'Elia The Joe Rogan Experience - #1456 - Michael Shermer The Joe Rogan Experience - #1303 - Tommy Chong The Joe Rogan Experience - #1296 - Joe List The Joe Rogan Experience - #1255 - Alex Jones Returns The Joe Rogan Experience - #1182 - Nick Kroll The Joe Rogan Experience - #1164 - Mikhaila Peterson The Joe Rogan Experience - #1093 - Owen Benjamin & Kurt Metzger The Joe Rogan Experience - #1033 - Owen Benjamin The Joe Rogan Experience - #998 - Owen Benjamin The Joe Rogan Experience - #980 - Chris D'Elia The Joe Rogan Experience - #979 - Sargon of Akkad The Joe Rogan Experience - #920 - Gavin McInnes The Joe Rogan Experience - #911 - Alex Jones & Eddie Bravo The Joe Rogan Experience - #820 - Milo Yiannopoulos The Joe Rogan Experience - #750 - Kip Andersen & Keegan Kuhn, producers of Conspiracy The Joe Rogan Experience - #710 - Gavin McInnes The Joe Rogan Experience - #702 - Milo Yiannopoulos The Joe Rogan Experience - #640 - Charles C. Johnson The Joe Rogan Experience - #582 - David Seaman The Joe Rogan Experience - #538 - Stefan Molyneux The Joe Rogan Experience - #524 - Rickson Gracie The Joe Rogan Experience - #520 - David Seaman The Joe Rogan Experience - #487 - David Seaman The Joe Rogan Experience - #463 - Louis Theroux The Joe Rogan Experience - #461 - David Seaman The Joe Rogan Experience - #454 - War Machine The Joe Rogan Experience - #441 - Brian Dunning The Joe Rogan Experience - #368 - David Seaman The Joe Rogan Experience - #361 - Dave Asprey, Tait Fletcher The Joe Rogan Experience - #331 - Dr. Steven Greer The Joe Rogan Experience - #303 - Matt Vengrin, Brian Redban The Joe Rogan Experience - #275 - Dave Asprey The Joe Rogan Experience - #256 - David Seaman The Joe Rogan Experience - #239 - Adam Kokesh The Joe Rogan Experience - #213 - Eddie Bravo The Joe Rogan Experience - #199 - Joey Diaz The Joe Rogan Experience - #182 - Bryan Callen, Jimmy Burke, Brian Redban The Joe Rogan Experience - #128 - Joey Diaz, Brian Redban The Joe Rogan Experience - #119 - Jan Irvin The Joe Rogan Experience - #108 - Joey Diaz, Brian Redban The Joe Rogan Experience - #98 - Daryl Wright & Brian Whitaker The Joe Rogan Experience - #97 - Freddy Lockhart, Brian Redban The Joe Rogan Experience - #81 - Pete Johansson The Joe Rogan Experience - #57 - Jayson Thibault, Brian Redban
chiefalchemist 6y ago
I don't enjoy being the one to say this but censored is the wrong word. Censoring is something governments do. We can't keep using the wrong words and expect communication and discourse to improve. Words matter.
- wccrawford 6y ago
  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor As a verb, it's used the same as Merriam Webster defines it. There is no need for it to be the government, just someone that is suppressing or deleting things that are objectionable. Everyone knows what is meant here, so there's no problem with the clarity of communication.
  - chiefalchemist 6y ago
    Here? Maybe. But here isn't always here. There is zero value in perpetuating a false narrative. We can't maintain an affinity for LCD and still expect positive change. Finally, you're making assumptions. I'll leave it at that.
    - gridlockd 6y ago
      > There is zero value in perpetuating a false narrative. I agree, it just happens that your narrative is wrong. There are important distinction to be made between government and private censorship, of course. Nevertheless, the word "censorship" never implies "government censorship".
  - chiefalchemist 6y ago
    The point is simple: Censorship laws do not protect against this type of "censorship". So yes, out of context it meets the vanilla definition of the word. Unfortunately, in the current sociopolitical environment where such things are front and center, the word is misleading. Spotify is not Uncle Sam, and vice versa. Context matters, and therefore censor is an extremely poor choice. It hurts more than it helps. In fact, it's close to clickbait.
thinkcontext 6y ago
Really, a link to a reddit thread? Can't we get something resembling journalism instead of ranting fanboys spreading rumors. I recognize few people on that list but I can see why Spotify wouldn't want the headache with advertisers over Alex Jones, Milo Y and Gavin Mcinnes. Rogan chose this when he went exclusive with Spotify.
- haunter 6y ago
  >Can't we get something resembling journalism instead of ranting fanboys spreading rumors I don't see ranting nor rumors. Go to Spotify and you can see those episodes are missing. Also what does "resembling journalism" mean? Reddit is a perfect to cover topics like that
swiley 6y ago
The only thing surprising about this is how quickly it happened. Podcasts are just RSS feeds with audio (or even video now apparently, no one seems to use that but it solves the “videos are only discoverable on YouTube” problem.) You don’t need to be part of any special platform to host them. Maybe someone should set up one of those PSA sites.
thelastinuit 6y ago
Wth... i enjoyed JRE for the openness of having controversial people and a space for them to talk freely... seeing that list... well, i’m done with Joe. Sad. Very sad.
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  Joe has $100M to comfort himself with that loss.
bookmarkable 6y ago
It is not a podcast, it’s a Spotify show. They can do what they want. A podcast is openly distributed.
dec0dedab0de 6y ago
It is concerning that the last main stream sanctuary of free speech might have been compromised. However, as of right now we dont know if Spotify censored these episodes, if Rogan censored them himself, or if they just didnt upload them yet. It's only 9 hours in to the first day, no need to jump to conclusions yet.
tmaly 6y ago
I can still see these old episodes on my podcast app. I just tried downloading one of them and I was able to.

60 points by nem_pet 6y ago

raxxorrax 6y ago

I don't know his show, but these are probably the episodes that are most interesting. Controversial stuff is often the most interesting...

bigbassroller 6y ago
classic Barbara Streisand Effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
mhh__ 6y ago
I think some of these might just be cleaning up for advertising? e.g. "Sarkon of Akkad" (Carl Benjamin) is an unpleasant liar who once declared "I wouldn't even rape you" to a politician online - not exactly perfect for advertiser's on Spotify Free?
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  Hm, yes "cleaned up" content for advertisers would fall exactly into that category. I think he should prefer platforms where advertisers cannot make editorial decisions. This should be clearly communicated to users, so that animosity from controversial topics is not directed at advertisers.
  - Emphere 6y ago
    But in practice, directing animosity at advertisers and platforms is an effective way to remove content you don't like. It doesn't matter if the platform/advertisers says that they don't necessarily endorse the content--there's nothing stopping users from pressuring them regardless.

sfgweilr4f 6y ago

Now we know which episodes are the most interesting. Also which guests reveal who/what can't be criticised or discussed. That said, I'm not surprised that Alex "they're turnin' the friggin frogs gay" Jones is on that list.

gridlockd 6y ago
I suspect this has to be more to do with particular things said on these episodes that may make Spotify legally liable, rather than a blacklist of people. Eddie Bravo and Joey Diaz have been on tons of episodes other than the ones listed. I can't even imagine JRE without Joey as a regular. Some people strike me as particularly odd for blacklisting: Louis Theroux, Brian Dunning and Rickson Gracie must be politically uncontroversial, unless I'm missing something.
- rbecker 6y ago
  > I suspect this has to be more to do with particular things said on these episodes that may make Spotify legally liable Are those episodes listed on Spotify as "Censored to avoid legal liability"? Or perhaps as "Unavailable due to legal reasons"? Or were they just quietly disappeared, and it was up to a random redditor to reveal that censorship even took place?
- aaron695 6y ago
  The Louis Theroux episode is blocked in some countries for copyright by A+E Networks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjeV2_hKLao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjeV2_hKLao But most there are censorship not copyright.
aaron695 6y ago
Yes, things being put into water were claimed by scientist to be turning frogs gay, which is why he made the comment. "Scientists are continuing to sound the alarm about some common chemicals, including the herbicide atrazine, and link them to changes in reproductive health and development. Endocrine disrupting toxic chemicals have been found to feminize male frogs and cause homosexual behavior. " (2011) https://www.loe.org/shows/segments.html?programID=11-P13-00001&segmentID=7 https://www.loe.org/shows/segments.html?programID=11-P13-000... He even goes to lengths to say he doesn't hate gay people, he just doesn't want to be turned gay without consent. "And I'm not saying people didn't naturally have homosexual feelings. I'm not even getting into it, quite frankly. I mean, give me a break. Do you think I'm like, oh, shocked by it, so I'm up here bashing it because I don't like gay people?" Him saying it, and I do get what he's doing, putting real media bullshit together to form a narrative - https://youtu.be/THFoayEgsV8?t=291 https://youtu.be/THFoayEgsV8?t=291 So yes, I do want to see him, it's important to see what he's really like. It takes to seconds for his fans to know the frogs are gay from polluted water is a science thing.

1cvmask 6y ago

Does anyone know if Joe Rogan allows for censorship on the part of Spotify? Tommy Chong the comedian has managed to make the list of censored folks. Now I feel compelled to look up the others.

LatteLazy 6y ago
When he first announced the move, he expressly stated they would not be censoring future episodes or interfering at all, he would maintain 100% control... Edit, source in case it's relevant: >"It will remain free, and it will be the exact same show," said Rogan. "It's just a licensing deal, so Spotify won't have any creative control over the show. >"They want me to just continue doing it the way I'm doing it right now. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52736364 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52736364
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  How is that possible? What happened that guarantees every future potential episode is spotifyable yet past episodes weren't? If he's telling the truth, why aren't his first 10 episodes him an past guests reading the transcript of censored episodes?
  - LatteLazy 6y ago
    Not sure, we will have to see. I like Joe, so maybe Spotify thought they could pull this and no one would notice? Or maybe they're replying on (I heard) $100m being enough money to buy some flexibility? Maybe they're making a show of it so he can make a show of insisting they're replaced so no one thinks he has sold out? It's sort of confusing because Joe Rogan is Joe Rogan. It's not like he suddenly changes position or he's ever been PC and family friendly or whatever this edit is meant to get to. Either way, something is dodgy as fuck.

polytely 6y ago

Weird to see Louis Theroux on that list, who isn't that controversial at all, is Spotify afraid to incur the wrath of Scientology?

dogma1138 6y ago
It looks like there was a copyright strike against that video which could be the reason why that episode wasn’t on boarded.

jasode 6y ago

Fyi... part of Rogan's deal he signed with Spotify requires him to delete his videos from Youtube by the end of the year so Spotify becomes the "exclusive" place for JRE. I didn't know about this until a few weeks ago. Apparently, some folks have already archived (i.e. youtube-dl) all of his old videos before they disappear.[0] It would be interesting to check back next year and see if these Spotify rejected/censored podcasts remain on Youtube. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/gmuoyu/joe_rogans_podcast_will_only_be_available_on/ https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/gmuoyu/joe_rog...

hayd 6y ago
I don't think this is the case. It's that new episodes will be exclusive to Spotify and won't be uploaded to YouTube. edit: No, my mistake, the suggestion is that all but 100 or so videos will be migrated and then deleted from YouTube. I guess I'd misunderstood the earlier statements!

jcims 6y ago

Full list from here: https://old.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ikf9at/full_list_of_every_missing_episode_from_spotify/ https://old.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ikf9at/full_list_... The Joe Rogan Experience - #1461 - Owen Smith The Joe Rogan Experience - #1458 - Chris D'Elia The Joe Rogan Experience - #1456 - Michael Shermer The Joe Rogan Experience - #1303 - Tommy Chong The Joe Rogan Experience - #1296 - Joe List The Joe Rogan Experience - #1255 - Alex Jones Returns The Joe Rogan Experience - #1182 - Nick Kroll The Joe Rogan Experience - #1164 - Mikhaila Peterson The Joe Rogan Experience - #1093 - Owen Benjamin & Kurt Metzger The Joe Rogan Experience - #1033 - Owen Benjamin The Joe Rogan Experience - #998 - Owen Benjamin The Joe Rogan Experience - #980 - Chris D'Elia The Joe Rogan Experience - #979 - Sargon of Akkad The Joe Rogan Experience - #920 - Gavin McInnes The Joe Rogan Experience - #911 - Alex Jones & Eddie Bravo The Joe Rogan Experience - #820 - Milo Yiannopoulos The Joe Rogan Experience - #750 - Kip Andersen & Keegan Kuhn, producers of Conspiracy The Joe Rogan Experience - #710 - Gavin McInnes The Joe Rogan Experience - #702 - Milo Yiannopoulos The Joe Rogan Experience - #640 - Charles C. Johnson The Joe Rogan Experience - #582 - David Seaman The Joe Rogan Experience - #538 - Stefan Molyneux The Joe Rogan Experience - #524 - Rickson Gracie The Joe Rogan Experience - #520 - David Seaman The Joe Rogan Experience - #487 - David Seaman The Joe Rogan Experience - #463 - Louis Theroux The Joe Rogan Experience - #461 - David Seaman The Joe Rogan Experience - #454 - War Machine The Joe Rogan Experience - #441 - Brian Dunning The Joe Rogan Experience - #368 - David Seaman The Joe Rogan Experience - #361 - Dave Asprey, Tait Fletcher The Joe Rogan Experience - #331 - Dr. Steven Greer The Joe Rogan Experience - #303 - Matt Vengrin, Brian Redban The Joe Rogan Experience - #275 - Dave Asprey The Joe Rogan Experience - #256 - David Seaman The Joe Rogan Experience - #239 - Adam Kokesh The Joe Rogan Experience - #213 - Eddie Bravo The Joe Rogan Experience - #199 - Joey Diaz The Joe Rogan Experience - #182 - Bryan Callen, Jimmy Burke, Brian Redban The Joe Rogan Experience - #128 - Joey Diaz, Brian Redban The Joe Rogan Experience - #119 - Jan Irvin The Joe Rogan Experience - #108 - Joey Diaz, Brian Redban The Joe Rogan Experience - #98 - Daryl Wright & Brian Whitaker The Joe Rogan Experience - #97 - Freddy Lockhart, Brian Redban The Joe Rogan Experience - #81 - Pete Johansson The Joe Rogan Experience - #57 - Jayson Thibault, Brian Redban

chiefalchemist 6y ago

I don't enjoy being the one to say this but censored is the wrong word. Censoring is something governments do. We can't keep using the wrong words and expect communication and discourse to improve. Words matter.

wccrawford 6y ago
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor As a verb, it's used the same as Merriam Webster defines it. There is no need for it to be the government, just someone that is suppressing or deleting things that are objectionable. Everyone knows what is meant here, so there's no problem with the clarity of communication.
- chiefalchemist 6y ago
  Here? Maybe. But here isn't always here. There is zero value in perpetuating a false narrative. We can't maintain an affinity for LCD and still expect positive change. Finally, you're making assumptions. I'll leave it at that.
  - gridlockd 6y ago
    > There is zero value in perpetuating a false narrative. I agree, it just happens that your narrative is wrong. There are important distinction to be made between government and private censorship, of course. Nevertheless, the word "censorship" never implies "government censorship".
- chiefalchemist 6y ago
  The point is simple: Censorship laws do not protect against this type of "censorship". So yes, out of context it meets the vanilla definition of the word. Unfortunately, in the current sociopolitical environment where such things are front and center, the word is misleading. Spotify is not Uncle Sam, and vice versa. Context matters, and therefore censor is an extremely poor choice. It hurts more than it helps. In fact, it's close to clickbait.

thinkcontext 6y ago

Really, a link to a reddit thread? Can't we get something resembling journalism instead of ranting fanboys spreading rumors. I recognize few people on that list but I can see why Spotify wouldn't want the headache with advertisers over Alex Jones, Milo Y and Gavin Mcinnes. Rogan chose this when he went exclusive with Spotify.

haunter 6y ago
>Can't we get something resembling journalism instead of ranting fanboys spreading rumors I don't see ranting nor rumors. Go to Spotify and you can see those episodes are missing. Also what does "resembling journalism" mean? Reddit is a perfect to cover topics like that

swiley 6y ago

The only thing surprising about this is how quickly it happened. Podcasts are just RSS feeds with audio (or even video now apparently, no one seems to use that but it solves the “videos are only discoverable on YouTube” problem.) You don’t need to be part of any special platform to host them. Maybe someone should set up one of those PSA sites.

thelastinuit 6y ago

Wth... i enjoyed JRE for the openness of having controversial people and a space for them to talk freely... seeing that list... well, i’m done with Joe. Sad. Very sad.

srtjstjsj 6y ago
Joe has $100M to comfort himself with that loss.

bookmarkable 6y ago

It is not a podcast, it’s a Spotify show. They can do what they want. A podcast is openly distributed.

dec0dedab0de 6y ago

It is concerning that the last main stream sanctuary of free speech might have been compromised. However, as of right now we dont know if Spotify censored these episodes, if Rogan censored them himself, or if they just didnt upload them yet. It's only 9 hours in to the first day, no need to jump to conclusions yet.

tmaly 6y ago

I can still see these old episodes on my podcast app. I just tried downloading one of them and I was able to.