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It would be fun to try to sue Apple for misleading their customers (devs are customers, they pay yearly) and try to force them (and Google) to change the wordin
by dathinab 6y ago
It would be fun to try to sue Apple for misleading their customers (devs are customers, they pay yearly) and try to force them (and Google) to change the wording to correctly use rules.
That's if you have a lot of throwaway money and you don't like charity.
- emteycz 6y agoCustomer protections in most countries do not apply to business deals.
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- damnyou 6y agoWould that also be true if you are an independent developer? Why should individual developers releasing apps not get full customer protections? Treating all developers as businesses is part of the problem here I think. There should be more bespoke apps by individuals for small audiences — more of a community feel to things.
- emteycz 6y agoApple does not have to cater to independent developers - and it doesn't, per the Developer Agreement contract. Initially you weren't able to develop apps for the iPhone at all - that is okay too. You are not entitled to get a open computing platform if the thing resembles an... Actually, they defined this form factor!
- damnyou 6y agoRight, I understand that's Apple's point of view. I just believe all of this nonsense should be totally illegal.
- bcrosby95 6y agoI develop on iOS as a hobby not for business. But I don't know how common that is.
- judge2020 6y agoEven as an individual, the agreements you sign would be considered business deals since both you and Apple have the potential to profit from the agreement.
- damnyou 6y agoIf I am an individual developer and only intend to release free apps, I should be entitled to full customer protections, period. Apple has no excuse here.
- mrkstu 6y agoBut your 'harm' in that scenario is limited to your developer fees and likely the venue limited to small claims court or local equivalent.
- baddox 6y agoWhich customers do you think Apple cares more about, app developers or their actual iPhone customers?
- alasdair_ 6y agoApple needs to hire Steve Ballmer. https://youtu.be/KMU0tzLwhbE https://youtu.be/KMU0tzLwhbE
- boogies 6y agoThe lowest quality of comments and the highest quality comment. Take my upvote now and I might come back when I earn downvote.
- harry8 6y agoThe correct question is "which do you think Apple cares about least?" They care about market power very deeply so they don't have to care. Where are you going to go? Google? Doing the exact same thing. Neither? Cabin in the woods territory. Oh for the Nokia N900, right?
- boogies 6y ago> Where are you going to go? Google? Doing the exact same thing. Neither? Cabin in the woods territory. Oh for the Nokia N900, right? The Pinephone is on the frontpage at the moment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24329900 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24329900, and the Librem 5 has been several times recently. Maybe not grandma friendly ATM but I wouldn’t call it “cabin in the woods territory.”
- harry8 6y agoI look forward to the day I agree with you and hope it comes soon. The point is we had it. The N900 was it. 10+ years ago. Maybe pine or librem or open moko or whatever will get us back to where we were more than a decade ago. I really hope so.