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Just in case you ever consider it for some reason, under no circumstances should you upgrade to Catalina. Worst OS I’ve used since I left windows nearly 20 year

Just in case you ever consider it for some reason, under no circumstances should you upgrade to Catalina. Worst OS I’ve used since I left windows nearly 20 years ago.

simonklitj 6y ago
Could you elaborate on the issues you’ve been having? Been using Catalina since the beta and haven’t really had any major problems..
- vetinari 6y ago
  Early (cca 10.15.0 - 15.10.2) there was a problem mounting SMB share once it has been unmounted. Having to reboot just to get it mounted is not a fun. Scanning with Samsung MFPs in color into PDFs is still broken, but this one is since 10.14 actually. 10.15 just made it worse, because the Samsung scanning app that could be used instead of Image Capture is 32-bit, so the workaround doesn't work anymore.
- lordnacho 6y ago
  I'm not the original commenter but I've had this issue where the laptop reboots instead of sleeping properly. Keeps happening, not sure why, and many others have had it too on forums.
  - sumedh 6y ago
    Oh wow, this has been happening to my Mac as well. I am thinking of going back to a previous version.
    - ivanche 6y ago
      I found that, paradoxically, putting a laptop explicitly to sleep (apple menu/sleep) before leaving the office helps ~80% of the time (i.e. in the morning it will not reset with kernel panic).
  - JiNCMG 6y ago
    Had the same issue. Fixed once I uninstalled VirtualBox and the KEXT extention. Vbox was no longer needed because I switched to Docker.
- randomsearch 6y ago
  The main issues seem to be around performance (random pauses), audio problems, suspend/resume. It's not just anecdotal (as someone else suggested), but also from observing the large number of people reporting the same problems on various support forums. Most of my problems have been on older machines, so perhaps their QA has tanked.
  - simonklitj 6y ago
    No, I mean, those are very reasonable things to be upset about, I definitely get it, and it shouldn’t be like that no matter the machine. If it’s ok’ed to run the version, it should run without a hitch. It was pure curiosity on my part, because I haven’t really experienced any major bugs or problems.
hellofunk 6y ago
I installed Catalina on one machine, kept the other on Mojave. I can't tell the difference between the two unless I'm looking hard, and both are equally reliable for me.
kalleboo 6y ago
I had a lot of problems with Mojave and Catalina solved some of them. Catalina has been fine for me since the teething problems (and also it takes a week after install to make your way through all the permissions dialogs) I'm on the Big Sur beta and even this late in the game it's really rough. You're better off upgrading to Catalina and sticking to that than making the jump to Big Sur after it comes out.
- minimaul 6y ago
  I'm really surprised at that - I've been running Big Sur as my main OS on my personal laptop since dev beta 2 and it's been pretty solid. A few small rough edges but it largely just works for me.
  - kalleboo 6y ago
    In the current beta I still have issues like the `bird` process being perpetually stuck at burning half a core, Spotlight no longer finding anything local (only web results) after a few days (until a reboot), my USB randomly stopping working (until I reboot), nearly daily timeout kernel panics undocking from my USB-C dock, and more stuff that doesn't come to mind right now
- neuronic 6y ago
  What are some major Big Sur pitfalls at the moment? Once it's officially released I planned on upgrading my dev machine. But if feedback is not that great I will wait until the second point release at least...
dewey 6y ago
Every OS has bugs, I can't see more show-stopper bugs in Catalina than any of the previous ones. Especially none that would stop me from working or being productive.
- neuronic 6y ago
  I run a Windows 10 machine (latest public release) and a macOS machine (latest Catalina release) and Windows 10 pisses me off infinitely more... it already starts with BS like 2 or 3 Setting menus. Why are they not consolidated after like 7 years...
neuronic 6y ago
Using Catalina without any issues at all. That said, the upgrade from Mojave was nothing significant on first sight. I am likely missing some things that did improve - I don't have the change log on my mind right now - but nothing that jumps in your face right away.
coldtea 6y ago
Reasons being? Because I didn't have a single issue with Catalina. People consider their anecdotal experiences as universal (I offer mine as a single counter example to the parent's experience), when it could be all kinds of weird factors in their case (a faulty hardware run, some incompatible peripherals, user errors attributed to the OS, application errors attributed to the OS and so on).
- bromuro 6y ago
  Yeah i also do love all the recent updates, i am very happy with macOS.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    To not make it sound like it's all roses, some issues I had (mostly with hardware though): 1) I hated the butterfly keyboard (but fortunately they have changed that now, even if it took them 3 years, unfortunately I'm stuck with a buttefly model myself) 2) I hate the touch strip - at least the restored the Escape button, but I have no use for it and it just sits there (had higher hopes when it was introduced). 3) I'd like more than 1 port in the MacBook (not that I have one, but I read rumours that they plan to release a new MacBook with AS that I'm interested in) 4) What is the genious that designed the mouse that doesn't work while it charges? 5) I know about "price differentiation" but having the black mouse/keyboards more expensive is a dick move. That said, 2 things I do: 1) At least every 2 OS releases I do a clean new macOS install. No particular concrete reason, but it might help my case having a "cleaner" system. 2) I've never cared/used Time Machine. I use CCC on my own. So I never have the TM related issues some people seem to have.
- K0balt 6y ago
  Way slower (2-3x in compile tasks), always doing some crap. Every time I open any app, sometimes a 5 - 10 second pause while It does some internet shchenanigans, more frequent crashes, many more minor gripes.
scruffyherder 6y ago
I have a 2013 trash can, Catalina kernel panics non stop every 2 hours. Googling around and I found so many others with issues. I got the fan app and cranked the fans full blast thinking it was over heating, I even tore the system down and replaced the thermal paste and cleaned it down, and all I did was drop the idle temp by 1 degree, but still constant kernel panics. I downgraded to Mojave as I wanted 32bit back, and as a last try before I just gut it for CPU and RAM, and it’ll run for weeks at a time, with me moving, and updates the only thing that had me reboot or shut down. There is no QA at Apple, they clearly never tested Catalina on a 2013 Mac Pro.

Just in case you ever consider it for some reason, under no circumstances should you upgrade to Catalina. Worst OS I’ve used since I left windows nearly 20 years ago.

simonklitj 6y ago

Could you elaborate on the issues you’ve been having? Been using Catalina since the beta and haven’t really had any major problems..

vetinari 6y ago
Early (cca 10.15.0 - 15.10.2) there was a problem mounting SMB share once it has been unmounted. Having to reboot just to get it mounted is not a fun. Scanning with Samsung MFPs in color into PDFs is still broken, but this one is since 10.14 actually. 10.15 just made it worse, because the Samsung scanning app that could be used instead of Image Capture is 32-bit, so the workaround doesn't work anymore.
lordnacho 6y ago
I'm not the original commenter but I've had this issue where the laptop reboots instead of sleeping properly. Keeps happening, not sure why, and many others have had it too on forums.
- sumedh 6y ago
  Oh wow, this has been happening to my Mac as well. I am thinking of going back to a previous version.
  - ivanche 6y ago
    I found that, paradoxically, putting a laptop explicitly to sleep (apple menu/sleep) before leaving the office helps ~80% of the time (i.e. in the morning it will not reset with kernel panic).
- JiNCMG 6y ago
  Had the same issue. Fixed once I uninstalled VirtualBox and the KEXT extention. Vbox was no longer needed because I switched to Docker.
randomsearch 6y ago
The main issues seem to be around performance (random pauses), audio problems, suspend/resume. It's not just anecdotal (as someone else suggested), but also from observing the large number of people reporting the same problems on various support forums. Most of my problems have been on older machines, so perhaps their QA has tanked.
- simonklitj 6y ago
  No, I mean, those are very reasonable things to be upset about, I definitely get it, and it shouldn’t be like that no matter the machine. If it’s ok’ed to run the version, it should run without a hitch. It was pure curiosity on my part, because I haven’t really experienced any major bugs or problems.

hellofunk 6y ago

I installed Catalina on one machine, kept the other on Mojave. I can't tell the difference between the two unless I'm looking hard, and both are equally reliable for me.

kalleboo 6y ago

I had a lot of problems with Mojave and Catalina solved some of them. Catalina has been fine for me since the teething problems (and also it takes a week after install to make your way through all the permissions dialogs) I'm on the Big Sur beta and even this late in the game it's really rough. You're better off upgrading to Catalina and sticking to that than making the jump to Big Sur after it comes out.

minimaul 6y ago
I'm really surprised at that - I've been running Big Sur as my main OS on my personal laptop since dev beta 2 and it's been pretty solid. A few small rough edges but it largely just works for me.
- kalleboo 6y ago
  In the current beta I still have issues like the `bird` process being perpetually stuck at burning half a core, Spotlight no longer finding anything local (only web results) after a few days (until a reboot), my USB randomly stopping working (until I reboot), nearly daily timeout kernel panics undocking from my USB-C dock, and more stuff that doesn't come to mind right now
neuronic 6y ago
What are some major Big Sur pitfalls at the moment? Once it's officially released I planned on upgrading my dev machine. But if feedback is not that great I will wait until the second point release at least...

dewey 6y ago

Every OS has bugs, I can't see more show-stopper bugs in Catalina than any of the previous ones. Especially none that would stop me from working or being productive.

neuronic 6y ago
I run a Windows 10 machine (latest public release) and a macOS machine (latest Catalina release) and Windows 10 pisses me off infinitely more... it already starts with BS like 2 or 3 Setting menus. Why are they not consolidated after like 7 years...

neuronic 6y ago

Using Catalina without any issues at all. That said, the upgrade from Mojave was nothing significant on first sight. I am likely missing some things that did improve - I don't have the change log on my mind right now - but nothing that jumps in your face right away.

coldtea 6y ago

Reasons being? Because I didn't have a single issue with Catalina. People consider their anecdotal experiences as universal (I offer mine as a single counter example to the parent's experience), when it could be all kinds of weird factors in their case (a faulty hardware run, some incompatible peripherals, user errors attributed to the OS, application errors attributed to the OS and so on).

bromuro 6y ago
Yeah i also do love all the recent updates, i am very happy with macOS.
- coldtea 6y ago
  To not make it sound like it's all roses, some issues I had (mostly with hardware though): 1) I hated the butterfly keyboard (but fortunately they have changed that now, even if it took them 3 years, unfortunately I'm stuck with a buttefly model myself) 2) I hate the touch strip - at least the restored the Escape button, but I have no use for it and it just sits there (had higher hopes when it was introduced). 3) I'd like more than 1 port in the MacBook (not that I have one, but I read rumours that they plan to release a new MacBook with AS that I'm interested in) 4) What is the genious that designed the mouse that doesn't work while it charges? 5) I know about "price differentiation" but having the black mouse/keyboards more expensive is a dick move. That said, 2 things I do: 1) At least every 2 OS releases I do a clean new macOS install. No particular concrete reason, but it might help my case having a "cleaner" system. 2) I've never cared/used Time Machine. I use CCC on my own. So I never have the TM related issues some people seem to have.
K0balt 6y ago
Way slower (2-3x in compile tasks), always doing some crap. Every time I open any app, sometimes a 5 - 10 second pause while It does some internet shchenanigans, more frequent crashes, many more minor gripes.

scruffyherder 6y ago

I have a 2013 trash can, Catalina kernel panics non stop every 2 hours. Googling around and I found so many others with issues. I got the fan app and cranked the fans full blast thinking it was over heating, I even tore the system down and replaced the thermal paste and cleaned it down, and all I did was drop the idle temp by 1 degree, but still constant kernel panics. I downgraded to Mojave as I wanted 32bit back, and as a last try before I just gut it for CPU and RAM, and it’ll run for weeks at a time, with me moving, and updates the only thing that had me reboot or shut down. There is no QA at Apple, they clearly never tested Catalina on a 2013 Mac Pro.