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> ability to "shape" the incoming class Also known today as racial discrimination where Asians are heavily downweighted, similar to how Jews were downweighted

by m0zg 6y ago

> ability to "shape" the incoming class Also known today as racial discrimination where Asians are heavily downweighted, similar to how Jews were downweighted 40-50 years ago. Then again when Columbia rejected Richard Feynman because he was a Jew, it put a permanent stain on their reputation, and Feynman did all right anyway. I'm pretty sure smart kids will do all right, Ivy League or no Ivy League.

jonahbenton 6y ago
With respect, no. This lens misunderstands both the "admissions" process, the larger goals a given Uni has, and charter they operate under. In practice at the Uni level a much more significant amount of filtering is done through aid packages.
chongli 6y ago
There are plenty of elite schools outside the Ivy League which do not discriminate against Asian students. The aforementioned Berkeley, for example, had only 21% incoming white freshmen in 2019 but 17% incoming Chinese freshmen [1]. This is particularly striking given that only 1.3% of US residents are Chinese-Americans [2]. You’ll find a similar story for the representation of other Asian and south Asian freshmen at Berkeley. [1] https://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data https://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Americans
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  California law prohibits Berkeley from applying discriminatory racial preferences. It's my understanding that, with a handful of exceptions, almost all elite schools which are allowed to discriminate do so.
  - will4274 6y ago
    And there's a ballot measure in November that would allow Berkeley to discriminate based on race again.
strikelaserclaw 6y ago
Harvard isn't trying to pump out just academics or engineers, lawyers and doctors. They want to pump out prominent businessmen, politicians, activists, fields like these have a looser correlation to raw technical ability and can't really be measured by sat scores or GPA
- m0zg 6y ago
  > fields like these have a looser correlation to raw technical ability Citation needed.
  - strikelaserclaw 6y ago
    You think George Bush or Donald Trump got a 1600 on the SAT, valedictorian of their high school, and/or play the violin at a high level?
    - m0zg 6y ago
      No, but they aren't really the examples of excellence you're looking for. :-)
    - dunce2020 6y ago
      They're not fucking nerds, no.
- ffggvv 6y ago
  but skin color can measure it?
  - strikelaserclaw 6y ago
    in some cases a most definite YES. America is not some post racial utopia, we are far away from Asians having prominence in politics or social life.
    - m0zg 6y ago

by m0zg 6y ago

jonahbenton 6y ago

With respect, no. This lens misunderstands both the "admissions" process, the larger goals a given Uni has, and charter they operate under. In practice at the Uni level a much more significant amount of filtering is done through aid packages.

chongli 6y ago

There are plenty of elite schools outside the Ivy League which do not discriminate against Asian students. The aforementioned Berkeley, for example, had only 21% incoming white freshmen in 2019 but 17% incoming Chinese freshmen [1]. This is particularly striking given that only 1.3% of US residents are Chinese-Americans [2]. You’ll find a similar story for the representation of other Asian and south Asian freshmen at Berkeley. [1] https://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data https://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Americans

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
California law prohibits Berkeley from applying discriminatory racial preferences. It's my understanding that, with a handful of exceptions, almost all elite schools which are allowed to discriminate do so.
- will4274 6y ago
  And there's a ballot measure in November that would allow Berkeley to discriminate based on race again.

strikelaserclaw 6y ago

Harvard isn't trying to pump out just academics or engineers, lawyers and doctors. They want to pump out prominent businessmen, politicians, activists, fields like these have a looser correlation to raw technical ability and can't really be measured by sat scores or GPA

m0zg 6y ago
> fields like these have a looser correlation to raw technical ability Citation needed.
- strikelaserclaw 6y ago
  You think George Bush or Donald Trump got a 1600 on the SAT, valedictorian of their high school, and/or play the violin at a high level?
  - m0zg 6y ago
    No, but they aren't really the examples of excellence you're looking for. :-)
  - dunce2020 6y ago
    They're not fucking nerds, no.
ffggvv 6y ago
but skin color can measure it?
- strikelaserclaw 6y ago
  in some cases a most definite YES. America is not some post racial utopia, we are far away from Asians having prominence in politics or social life.
  - m0zg 6y ago