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Not to mention a huge percentage of people simply saying “it’s not happening” despite all evidence

by evan_ 6y ago

PakG1 6y ago
These people are the really weird ones to me. They think they are more experts than the people who have studied this stuff for years. I don't understand the arrogance.
- evan_ 6y ago
  They attribute it to malice, not ignorance. The people I see speaking about this believe either there is no virus, or it’s overblown- and most or all of the deaths are either misattributed car accidents and natural cause deaths, or made up from whole cloth. Doctors and hospitals are supposedly being compensated to falsely report deaths as having been caused by COVID. Obviously there are not large numbers of misattributed deaths or hospital conspiracies. This mirrors the theory held by basically the same people that climate change is just something used to push a political agenda and that scientists fake the data for grant money.
  - rvense 6y ago
    > scientists fake the data for grant money This one's the weirdest. If I had climate science credentials and wanted to cash in I'd be shilling for oil companies. Like that old Tom Lehrer joke about a doctor who specialized in diseases of the rich.
    - PakG1 6y ago
      Well, never let it be said that conspiracy theories go with Occam's Razor, they can get really convoluted. Like the jump from Gates wanting to inject everyone with vaccines to Gates wanting to inject everyone with vaccines and chips so that he can control the world.
  - takeda 6y ago
    Looks like we had high spike of car accidents this year [1] /s [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
- mistermann 6y ago
  I don't understand the naivete of how some people seem to believe they have a strong grasp on how/what millions of other people think. Actually, I may have a half-decent understanding of it, but any such beliefs are necessarily speculative. What I really don't understand is why people who work with systems for a living seem to be largely unable/unwilling to think of our planet as a system of interconnected/interactive systems, that have certain complex behaviors, and if you want to produce certain output, it requires specific input (that needs to be determined by understanding the system).
vbezhenar 6y ago
While I think that it's happening, I'm not convinced that it's caused mostly by humans and I'm not yet convinced that it's a bad thing for me.
- cdubzzz 6y ago
  You are alive right now so it’s probably not a bad thing for you. An inconvenience maybe. I don’t think that’s the point, though.
- vmception 6y ago
  There is something to consider that the planet goes through its own phases, but the things we measure are 100% correlated to human activity and greenhouse emissions and simple chemistry. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/1912-article-global-warming/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/1912-article-global-warmin... But even without someone from 1912 looking at simple chemistry before there was heavier politics and cognitive dissonance involved, what we are concerned about is a lack of replacement for the ecosystems we rely on, and even just animals that we like rely on. It's almost fine if the earth goes through its own climate cycles, but it is not fine if it doesn't include us and things we like, and when we can also prevent it by cutting emissions and using energy differently while generating energy differently. For example, with coral reefs, we are looking at chronic failures and subsequently adjustments of entire ecosystems and ocean currents and weather patterns, solely because there isn't a replacement phytoplankton to help the corals regulate better.

Not to mention a huge percentage of people simply saying “it’s not happening” despite all evidence

by evan_ 6y ago

Not to mention a huge percentage of people simply saying “it’s not happening” despite all evidence

These people are the really weird ones to me. They think they are more experts than the people who have studied this stuff for years. I don't understand the arrogance.

evan_ 6y ago
They attribute it to malice, not ignorance. The people I see speaking about this believe either there is no virus, or it’s overblown- and most or all of the deaths are either misattributed car accidents and natural cause deaths, or made up from whole cloth. Doctors and hospitals are supposedly being compensated to falsely report deaths as having been caused by COVID. Obviously there are not large numbers of misattributed deaths or hospital conspiracies. This mirrors the theory held by basically the same people that climate change is just something used to push a political agenda and that scientists fake the data for grant money.
- rvense 6y ago
  > scientists fake the data for grant money This one's the weirdest. If I had climate science credentials and wanted to cash in I'd be shilling for oil companies. Like that old Tom Lehrer joke about a doctor who specialized in diseases of the rich.
  - PakG1 6y ago
    Well, never let it be said that conspiracy theories go with Occam's Razor, they can get really convoluted. Like the jump from Gates wanting to inject everyone with vaccines to Gates wanting to inject everyone with vaccines and chips so that he can control the world.
- takeda 6y ago
  Looks like we had high spike of car accidents this year [1] /s [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
mistermann 6y ago
I don't understand the naivete of how some people seem to believe they have a strong grasp on how/what millions of other people think. Actually, I may have a half-decent understanding of it, but any such beliefs are necessarily speculative. What I really don't understand is why people who work with systems for a living seem to be largely unable/unwilling to think of our planet as a system of interconnected/interactive systems, that have certain complex behaviors, and if you want to produce certain output, it requires specific input (that needs to be determined by understanding the system).

vbezhenar 6y ago

While I think that it's happening, I'm not convinced that it's caused mostly by humans and I'm not yet convinced that it's a bad thing for me.

cdubzzz 6y ago
You are alive right now so it’s probably not a bad thing for you. An inconvenience maybe. I don’t think that’s the point, though.
vmception 6y ago
There is something to consider that the planet goes through its own phases, but the things we measure are 100% correlated to human activity and greenhouse emissions and simple chemistry. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/1912-article-global-warming/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/1912-article-global-warmin... But even without someone from 1912 looking at simple chemistry before there was heavier politics and cognitive dissonance involved, what we are concerned about is a lack of replacement for the ecosystems we rely on, and even just animals that we like rely on. It's almost fine if the earth goes through its own climate cycles, but it is not fine if it doesn't include us and things we like, and when we can also prevent it by cutting emissions and using energy differently while generating energy differently. For example, with coral reefs, we are looking at chronic failures and subsequently adjustments of entire ecosystems and ocean currents and weather patterns, solely because there isn't a replacement phytoplankton to help the corals regulate better.