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> Google’s new offerings will test whether a lucrative but increasingly distrusted industry can boost its business by offering ethical pointers Isn’t google a

> Google’s new offerings will test whether a lucrative but increasingly distrusted industry can boost its business by offering ethical pointers Isn’t google a big part of why there is so much distrust to begin with? Seems like asking your oxy dealer for detox advice.

RobLach 6y ago
Opiate dealers often stock narcan.
- TallGuyShort 6y ago
  The difference is narcan keeps you a viable customer. Detox ends the relationship. Same reason someone might render medical aid to a slave. Doesn't make it a charitable act.
- aabhay 6y ago
  But only the worst dealers would sell it, most would just keep it or give it to you. It’s the quintessential olive branch — “Keep buying drugs from me, I’m the nice one”
Nasrudith 6y ago
No they are the big scapegoat. Seriously it is a zeitgeisted Big Lie where they streneously insist it is a problem and make impossible ignorant standards while failing to provide evidence just fear mongered bullshit from the losers. The actual problems with AI ethics are down to "it isn't ready for that morons" and "It would be obviously abusable even if it was jackass."
- TaylorAlexander 6y ago
  There are real problems deploying biased systems. Facial recognition is a big issue. That’s not a problem of users, but of the creators.
  - rbecker 6y ago
    Facial recognition will be a far bigger problem when it works perfectly.
    - TaylorAlexander 6y ago
      Sure but biased AI disproportionately affects people of color which is very bad already.
      - yablak 6y ago
        Why was this downvoted? It's absolutely true and a big topic in AI fairness and ethics work.
        TaylorAlexander 6y ago
        Honestly I don’t know if it’s the algorithm or I’m just becoming more radical than the average HN person but I’m seeing more and more weird/senseless downvotes on my comments lately. Makes me want to find another place to hang out. If people here don’t care about marginalized groups then I should be somewhere where they do.
ilaksh 6y ago
I feel sure that the US military has access to every bit of code at Deep Mind. Although they seem to publish most everything anyway. Just not always with all the code. That's literally the "killer" application that 100% has obsessed many military planners ever since they saw the Atari playing demos. And whether people recognize it or not, those are the killer robots. They are built into fighters, defense and planning systems. Regardless of any objections or how many people sign letters against killer robots, the military strategists have no choice but to include the most sophisticated software available. Now I assume that there is some "failsafe" in most of not all operational systems that prevent actions that are not authorized. But it is also necessary to make that authorization fairly vague in some circumstances. And there is quite possibly a way to turn that failsafe off in the case of a war or scenarios where they feel there is no time to wait for the human (which seems guaranteed assuming the other side has AI also).

RobLach 6y ago

Opiate dealers often stock narcan.

TallGuyShort 6y ago
The difference is narcan keeps you a viable customer. Detox ends the relationship. Same reason someone might render medical aid to a slave. Doesn't make it a charitable act.
aabhay 6y ago
But only the worst dealers would sell it, most would just keep it or give it to you. It’s the quintessential olive branch — “Keep buying drugs from me, I’m the nice one”

Nasrudith 6y ago

No they are the big scapegoat. Seriously it is a zeitgeisted Big Lie where they streneously insist it is a problem and make impossible ignorant standards while failing to provide evidence just fear mongered bullshit from the losers. The actual problems with AI ethics are down to "it isn't ready for that morons" and "It would be obviously abusable even if it was jackass."

TaylorAlexander 6y ago
There are real problems deploying biased systems. Facial recognition is a big issue. That’s not a problem of users, but of the creators.
- rbecker 6y ago
  Facial recognition will be a far bigger problem when it works perfectly.
  - TaylorAlexander 6y ago
    Sure but biased AI disproportionately affects people of color which is very bad already.
    - yablak 6y ago
      Why was this downvoted? It's absolutely true and a big topic in AI fairness and ethics work.
      - TaylorAlexander 6y ago
        Honestly I don’t know if it’s the algorithm or I’m just becoming more radical than the average HN person but I’m seeing more and more weird/senseless downvotes on my comments lately. Makes me want to find another place to hang out. If people here don’t care about marginalized groups then I should be somewhere where they do.

ilaksh 6y ago

I feel sure that the US military has access to every bit of code at Deep Mind. Although they seem to publish most everything anyway. Just not always with all the code. That's literally the "killer" application that 100% has obsessed many military planners ever since they saw the Atari playing demos. And whether people recognize it or not, those are the killer robots. They are built into fighters, defense and planning systems. Regardless of any objections or how many people sign letters against killer robots, the military strategists have no choice but to include the most sophisticated software available. Now I assume that there is some "failsafe" in most of not all operational systems that prevent actions that are not authorized. But it is also necessary to make that authorization fairly vague in some circumstances. And there is quite possibly a way to turn that failsafe off in the case of a war or scenarios where they feel there is no time to wait for the human (which seems guaranteed assuming the other side has AI also).