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> Tesla auto-pilot Huh? It's being improved constantly. Nothing like it in the car industry.

by sekai 6y ago

tsimionescu 6y ago
It is not, and will not become in the next 20 years, a self-driving mechanism, as it has been designed to be.
- est31 6y ago
  IDK about the 20 years claim, but he's definitely consistently said that full autonomy is just around the corner and that when you buy a new Tesla the hardware is already fit for full autonomy and just needs a software update with the algorithms to enable it... Both are bold claims and at least the first claim is consistently being proven wrong. I guess it creates more enthusiasm than "we are working on it", and saying that the hardware of a new Tesla is fit for autonomy means that fans buy a new one and not a second hand Tesla. I think that given enough dedication and investment, it's certainly possible that we'll have fully autonomous cars one day, and it's likely that Tesla will be one of the first companies with such a car, but I'm just annoyed by their constant "it will be around in 6-12 months" that they repeat year after year.
  - tsimionescu 6y ago
    Right now Tesla may literally be the last company likely to get there: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/self-driving-study-navigant-research-tesla-waymo-cruise/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/self-driving-study-naviga... And those are not 'bold claims' as much as 'outright lies'. There is no known path right now to full autonomy, so to claim your hardware is ready for it is nothing but a fantasy.
    - derangedHorse 6y ago
      That list may not be the most reliable. It pretty much seems like they put Tesla last because of the bold estimates Musk gives for full self-driving. The part where they criticize the software seems disregard-able because it's impossible to find a standardized measure of comparison when all the other competitors don't have a product one can buy and test, and the environments they run in are far less diverse than the landscape encompassed by Tesla owners.
nikhizzle 6y ago
What about the production efforts from Nissan and GM which have launched level 3 with higher safety and no fanfare? What about the other 10 companies who have launched similar systems at level 2 with much better safety records and again no fanfare?
- runawaybottle 6y ago
  What about them? They only did it because Tesla is forcing them to do it. You think they would have pushed EVs and things like autopilot to the consumer at this pace for any other reason? They haven’t really earned the right to be talked about.
  - tsimionescu 6y ago
    Tesla is a pioneer of mass market EVs, but is not in any way a pioneer on self-driving cars.
    - runawaybottle 6y ago
      Okay, which major car company is putting in auto pilot features in their cars today (as in, if I go out and buy this car I’ll have it today). Open to being educated here, and I’m hoping the answer is ‘a couple believe it or not’.
      - yucatansunshine 6y ago
        Every Cadillac currently + the new GM EVs come with Supercruise.
  - tomjakubowski 6y ago
    Ever heard of the Nissan Leaf?

> Tesla auto-pilot Huh? It's being improved constantly. Nothing like it in the car industry.

by sekai 6y ago

> Tesla auto-pilot Huh? It's being improved constantly. Nothing like it in the car industry.

tsimionescu 6y ago

It is not, and will not become in the next 20 years, a self-driving mechanism, as it has been designed to be.

est31 6y ago
IDK about the 20 years claim, but he's definitely consistently said that full autonomy is just around the corner and that when you buy a new Tesla the hardware is already fit for full autonomy and just needs a software update with the algorithms to enable it... Both are bold claims and at least the first claim is consistently being proven wrong. I guess it creates more enthusiasm than "we are working on it", and saying that the hardware of a new Tesla is fit for autonomy means that fans buy a new one and not a second hand Tesla. I think that given enough dedication and investment, it's certainly possible that we'll have fully autonomous cars one day, and it's likely that Tesla will be one of the first companies with such a car, but I'm just annoyed by their constant "it will be around in 6-12 months" that they repeat year after year.
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  Right now Tesla may literally be the last company likely to get there: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/self-driving-study-navigant-research-tesla-waymo-cruise/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/self-driving-study-naviga... And those are not 'bold claims' as much as 'outright lies'. There is no known path right now to full autonomy, so to claim your hardware is ready for it is nothing but a fantasy.
  - derangedHorse 6y ago
    That list may not be the most reliable. It pretty much seems like they put Tesla last because of the bold estimates Musk gives for full self-driving. The part where they criticize the software seems disregard-able because it's impossible to find a standardized measure of comparison when all the other competitors don't have a product one can buy and test, and the environments they run in are far less diverse than the landscape encompassed by Tesla owners.

nikhizzle 6y ago

What about the production efforts from Nissan and GM which have launched level 3 with higher safety and no fanfare? What about the other 10 companies who have launched similar systems at level 2 with much better safety records and again no fanfare?

runawaybottle 6y ago
What about them? They only did it because Tesla is forcing them to do it. You think they would have pushed EVs and things like autopilot to the consumer at this pace for any other reason? They haven’t really earned the right to be talked about.
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  Tesla is a pioneer of mass market EVs, but is not in any way a pioneer on self-driving cars.
  - runawaybottle 6y ago
    Okay, which major car company is putting in auto pilot features in their cars today (as in, if I go out and buy this car I’ll have it today). Open to being educated here, and I’m hoping the answer is ‘a couple believe it or not’.
    - yucatansunshine 6y ago
      Every Cadillac currently + the new GM EVs come with Supercruise.
- tomjakubowski 6y ago
  Ever heard of the Nissan Leaf?