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I think you’ve made a big error in your reading of this story if you got the impression that he regularly hooked up with underage girls. He regularly had sex wi

I think you’ve made a big error in your reading of this story if you got the impression that he regularly hooked up with underage girls. He regularly had sex with women, like many men. A history of having sex with women is not evidence of him being a child predator. Neither is going to meet up with someone who looks 24. If the police wanted to target actual child predators, they wouldn’t be sending out photos of 24 year olds. It seems like the were targeting non-child-predators with bad judgement. Maybe finding the real predators is too much work.

rumanator 6y ago
> I think you’ve made a big error in your reading of this story if you got the impression that he regularly hooked up with underage girls. I said he admitted he already had sex with 5 or 6 girls of unspecified age the same way he was caught trying to have sex with a 13 year old girl. That's what he did, and that was his motivation when he knowingly tried to meet that 13 year old girl. > A history of having sex with women is not evidence of him being a child predator. Trying to meet 13 year old girls for sex is the evidence of him being a child predator. > Neither is going to meet up with someone who looks 24. The girl repeatedly stated, and made it quite clear, that she was 13 years old. That fact, which was made quite clear to him and he acknowledged and fully understood she was a 13 year old girl. Still, the fact that the girl he tried to meet repeatedly stated quite clearly she was 13 years old was not deemed by the criminal as a good enough reason not o have sex with her.
- shajznnckfke 6y ago
  So just to be clear, is it your belief that Craigslist personal ads are mostly written by children? A person who says they met up with some girls from Craigslist before should be presumed to be voluntarily confessing that they have been meeting children?
  - rumanator 6y ago
    > So just to be clear, is it your belief that Craigslist personal ads are mostly written by children? The ad the convicted sex offender replied to was explicitly written by children, a fact that he was repeatedly made well aware and acknowledged during his arrest. > A person who says they met up with some girls from Craigslist before should be presumed to be voluntarily confessing that they have been meeting children? He replies to an ad posted by a 13 year old girl, and he was quite aware the underage girl he was trying to have sex with was indeed 13 years old.
    - shajznnckfke 6y ago
      There was no age mentioned in the ad.
      - rumanator 6y ago
        > There was no age mentioned in the ad. The underage girl featured in the ad repeatedly stated her age. When he replied to the ad, the convicted sex offender prompted her about her age and she made it quite clear to him that she was indeed a 13 year old girl. That fact didn't discouraged him from trying to have sex with the underage girl, and he proceeded to try to meet the underage girl with the express goal of having sex with her in mind, which ultimately led to his arrest.
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      > The ad the convicted sex offender replied to was explicitly written by children No, it wasn’t, it was written by a police officer. > He replies to an ad posted by a 13 year old girl, and he was quite aware the underage girl he was trying to have sex with was indeed 13 years old. Did he not repeatedly explain why he thought the person he was talking to was not 13?
      - rumanator 6y ago
        > No, it wasn’t, it was written by a police officer. The ad was posted by a police unit conducting a sting operations designed to catch child predators, and not only did the underage girl depicted in the ad stated repeatedly she was 13 years old but she also sounded like "an immature teenager". > Did he not repeatedly explain why he thought the person he was talking to was not 13? The convicted sex offender acknowledged he was fully aware the girl he tried to meet for sex was 13 years old.
- imtringued 6y ago
  >Users had to certify that they were 18 or older, but at the time Craigslist didn’t verify users’ age. People described their appearance in personal ads, then sent photos that didn’t match. Some seemed to enjoy role playing. He once replied to a post describing an attractive 21-year-old, but when he arrived at the address she gave him, an old man answered the door. He got out of there fast. Yeah and the 60 year old man that cat fished him also repeatedly stated that he was an attractive 21 year old women so everything people tell you on craigslist must be 100% truth even if they provide a picture that completely disproves what they have said. Come on cragislist is full of bullshit. You can't trust anything people say on that platform. > That's what he did, and that was his motivation when he knowingly tried to meet that 13 year old girl. He saw the picture of an adult women and then met an adult woman. Is that really against the law nowadays? >The girl repeatedly stated, and made it quite clear, that she was 13 years old. Quite clear by showing an image of an adult woman?
  - rumanator 6y ago
    > Yeah and the 60 year old man that cat fished him also repeatedly stated that he was an attractive 21 year old women What's your point? Having sex with a 21 year old woman isn't a crime. Perhaps you could have a point if he tried to meet a 21 year old woman that actually was an underage girl, but the convicted sex offender never mentioned anything similar to that. > Come on cragislist is full of bullshit. The underage girl he met online made it quite clear to him she was 13 years old. That fact popped up repeatedly during their chats. Intentionally ignoring the age of an underage girl just because you want to have sex with her isn't a valid legal defense.
    - commoner 6y ago
      > The underage girl he met online made it quite clear to him she was 13 years old. That fact popped up repeatedly during their chats. "The underage girl" does not exist. "That fact" is a fiction, and Hambrick would not have been imprisoned if Net Nanny had not entrapped him with a picture of a 24-year-old police officer (that Hambrick correctly identified as an adult) and false messages written by a middle-aged detective.
  - 6y ago
sundvor 6y ago
Yeah look at this pic again: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-NetNanny-image-03/30mag-NetNanny-image-03-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale&width=1200 https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-Ne... That's not the picture of a 13 year old, not even by a long shot. Could easily be someone in their 30s ++ even. That task force obviously threw ethics well and truly to the wind.

rumanator 6y ago

> I think you’ve made a big error in your reading of this story if you got the impression that he regularly hooked up with underage girls. I said he admitted he already had sex with 5 or 6 girls of unspecified age the same way he was caught trying to have sex with a 13 year old girl. That's what he did, and that was his motivation when he knowingly tried to meet that 13 year old girl. > A history of having sex with women is not evidence of him being a child predator. Trying to meet 13 year old girls for sex is the evidence of him being a child predator. > Neither is going to meet up with someone who looks 24. The girl repeatedly stated, and made it quite clear, that she was 13 years old. That fact, which was made quite clear to him and he acknowledged and fully understood she was a 13 year old girl. Still, the fact that the girl he tried to meet repeatedly stated quite clearly she was 13 years old was not deemed by the criminal as a good enough reason not o have sex with her.

shajznnckfke 6y ago
So just to be clear, is it your belief that Craigslist personal ads are mostly written by children? A person who says they met up with some girls from Craigslist before should be presumed to be voluntarily confessing that they have been meeting children?
- rumanator 6y ago
  > So just to be clear, is it your belief that Craigslist personal ads are mostly written by children? The ad the convicted sex offender replied to was explicitly written by children, a fact that he was repeatedly made well aware and acknowledged during his arrest. > A person who says they met up with some girls from Craigslist before should be presumed to be voluntarily confessing that they have been meeting children? He replies to an ad posted by a 13 year old girl, and he was quite aware the underage girl he was trying to have sex with was indeed 13 years old.
  - shajznnckfke 6y ago
    There was no age mentioned in the ad.
    - rumanator 6y ago
      > There was no age mentioned in the ad. The underage girl featured in the ad repeatedly stated her age. When he replied to the ad, the convicted sex offender prompted her about her age and she made it quite clear to him that she was indeed a 13 year old girl. That fact didn't discouraged him from trying to have sex with the underage girl, and he proceeded to try to meet the underage girl with the express goal of having sex with her in mind, which ultimately led to his arrest.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    > The ad the convicted sex offender replied to was explicitly written by children No, it wasn’t, it was written by a police officer. > He replies to an ad posted by a 13 year old girl, and he was quite aware the underage girl he was trying to have sex with was indeed 13 years old. Did he not repeatedly explain why he thought the person he was talking to was not 13?
    - rumanator 6y ago
      > No, it wasn’t, it was written by a police officer. The ad was posted by a police unit conducting a sting operations designed to catch child predators, and not only did the underage girl depicted in the ad stated repeatedly she was 13 years old but she also sounded like "an immature teenager". > Did he not repeatedly explain why he thought the person he was talking to was not 13? The convicted sex offender acknowledged he was fully aware the girl he tried to meet for sex was 13 years old.
imtringued 6y ago
>Users had to certify that they were 18 or older, but at the time Craigslist didn’t verify users’ age. People described their appearance in personal ads, then sent photos that didn’t match. Some seemed to enjoy role playing. He once replied to a post describing an attractive 21-year-old, but when he arrived at the address she gave him, an old man answered the door. He got out of there fast. Yeah and the 60 year old man that cat fished him also repeatedly stated that he was an attractive 21 year old women so everything people tell you on craigslist must be 100% truth even if they provide a picture that completely disproves what they have said. Come on cragislist is full of bullshit. You can't trust anything people say on that platform. > That's what he did, and that was his motivation when he knowingly tried to meet that 13 year old girl. He saw the picture of an adult women and then met an adult woman. Is that really against the law nowadays? >The girl repeatedly stated, and made it quite clear, that she was 13 years old. Quite clear by showing an image of an adult woman?
- rumanator 6y ago
  > Yeah and the 60 year old man that cat fished him also repeatedly stated that he was an attractive 21 year old women What's your point? Having sex with a 21 year old woman isn't a crime. Perhaps you could have a point if he tried to meet a 21 year old woman that actually was an underage girl, but the convicted sex offender never mentioned anything similar to that. > Come on cragislist is full of bullshit. The underage girl he met online made it quite clear to him she was 13 years old. That fact popped up repeatedly during their chats. Intentionally ignoring the age of an underage girl just because you want to have sex with her isn't a valid legal defense.
  - commoner 6y ago
    > The underage girl he met online made it quite clear to him she was 13 years old. That fact popped up repeatedly during their chats. "The underage girl" does not exist. "That fact" is a fiction, and Hambrick would not have been imprisoned if Net Nanny had not entrapped him with a picture of a 24-year-old police officer (that Hambrick correctly identified as an adult) and false messages written by a middle-aged detective.
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sundvor 6y ago

Yeah look at this pic again: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-NetNanny-image-03/30mag-NetNanny-image-03-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale&width=1200 https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-Ne... That's not the picture of a 13 year old, not even by a long shot. Could easily be someone in their 30s ++ even. That task force obviously threw ethics well and truly to the wind.