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> I'd agree with you if the supposed victim wasn’t a 24 year old who provided pictures of themselves in the lead-up to the meeting. That's quite the disingenuo

> I'd agree with you if the supposed victim wasn’t a 24 year old who provided pictures of themselves in the lead-up to the meeting. That's quite the disingenuous take on the case. You're just cherry-picking the age of the police officer tasked with the sting. During the whole sting the same agent repeatedly made it very clear that the girl he was trying to meet to have sex was 13 years old. That fact didn't discouraged him the slightest and, just like he did 5 or 6 times before, we went to meet the 13 year old girl to have sex with her.

shajznnckfke 6y ago
I think you’ve made a big error in your reading of this story if you got the impression that he regularly hooked up with underage girls. He regularly had sex with women, like many men. A history of having sex with women is not evidence of him being a child predator. Neither is going to meet up with someone who looks 24. If the police wanted to target actual child predators, they wouldn’t be sending out photos of 24 year olds. It seems like the were targeting non-child-predators with bad judgement. Maybe finding the real predators is too much work.
- rumanator 6y ago
  > I think you’ve made a big error in your reading of this story if you got the impression that he regularly hooked up with underage girls. I said he admitted he already had sex with 5 or 6 girls of unspecified age the same way he was caught trying to have sex with a 13 year old girl. That's what he did, and that was his motivation when he knowingly tried to meet that 13 year old girl. > A history of having sex with women is not evidence of him being a child predator. Trying to meet 13 year old girls for sex is the evidence of him being a child predator. > Neither is going to meet up with someone who looks 24. The girl repeatedly stated, and made it quite clear, that she was 13 years old. That fact, which was made quite clear to him and he acknowledged and fully understood she was a 13 year old girl. Still, the fact that the girl he tried to meet repeatedly stated quite clearly she was 13 years old was not deemed by the criminal as a good enough reason not o have sex with her.
  - shajznnckfke 6y ago
    So just to be clear, is it your belief that Craigslist personal ads are mostly written by children? A person who says they met up with some girls from Craigslist before should be presumed to be voluntarily confessing that they have been meeting children?
    - rumanator 6y ago
      > So just to be clear, is it your belief that Craigslist personal ads are mostly written by children? The ad the convicted sex offender replied to was explicitly written by children, a fact that he was repeatedly made well aware and acknowledged during his arrest. > A person who says they met up with some girls from Craigslist before should be presumed to be voluntarily confessing that they have been meeting children? He replies to an ad posted by a 13 year old girl, and he was quite aware the underage girl he was trying to have sex with was indeed 13 years old.
      - shajznnckfke 6y ago
        There was no age mentioned in the ad.
        rumanator 6y ago
        > There was no age mentioned in the ad. The underage girl featured in the ad repeatedly stated her age. When he replied to the ad, the convicted sex offender prompted her about her age and she made it quite clear to him that she was indeed a 13 year old girl. That fact didn't discouraged him from trying to have sex with the underage girl, and he proceeded to try to meet the underage girl with the express goal of having sex with her in mind, which ultimately led to his arrest.
      - saagarjha 6y ago
        > The ad the convicted sex offender replied to was explicitly written by children No, it wasn’t, it was written by a police officer. > He replies to an ad posted by a 13 year old girl, and he was quite aware the underage girl he was trying to have sex with was indeed 13 years old. Did he not repeatedly explain why he thought the person he was talking to was not 13?
- sundvor 6y ago
  Yeah look at this pic again: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-NetNanny-image-03/30mag-NetNanny-image-03-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale&width=1200 https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-Ne... That's not the picture of a 13 year old, not even by a long shot. Could easily be someone in their 30s ++ even. That task force obviously threw ethics well and truly to the wind.
stickfigure 6y ago
Direct link to the picture: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-NetNanny-image-03/30mag-NetNanny-image-03-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-Ne... I'd acquit.
- sundvor 6y ago
  Exactly. Would be interesting if a few people here would show their partners or friends this picture, zero content: please guess or estimate this person's age. My wife: Late 30s.
choo-t 6y ago
>During the whole sting the same agent repeatedly made it very clear that the girl he was trying to meet to have sex was 13 years old. The 24yo made it very clear that she was 13yo, while using photo of herself at 24yo ? How could two opposites informations could pose as making anything clear ?
- danielheath 6y ago
  Appearance is only a reliable predictor of age for 95-ish percent of people. While slightly rare, it’s not at all unheard of for a child to look like an adult (or vice versa).
fuzxi 6y ago
>During the whole sting the same agent repeatedly made it very clear that the girl he was trying to meet to have sex was 13 years old. No. One officer sent the man pictures of a 24 year old woman and lied to him that she was 13. That is anything but clear. I might agree with you if the police had sent no pictures, or pictures of a minor.
- rumanator 6y ago
  > No. One officer sent the man pictures of a 24 year old woman and lied to him that she was 13. No, the officer conducting the sting happened to be 24 years old. Yet, not only was the girl making it quite clear she was indeed 13 years old but also the whole sting operation was conducted based on the depiction of a 13 year old girl. Even the article, in spite of its spin, makes it quite clear that the 13 year old girl the man tried to meet for sex sounded like an immature teenager.
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  - fuzxi 6y ago
    >No, the officer conducting the sting happened to be 24 years old. And happened to look like a 24 year old. >Even the article, in spite of its spin, makes it quite clear that the 13 year old girl the man tried to meet for sex sounded like an immature teenager. From the article: >She used slang a 13-year-old probably wouldn’t know, like “FTP” — “[expletive] the police” — that originated in ’80s hip-hop. The vulgarities and snide tone seemed too adult. >Detective Robert Givens, a middle-aged man, testified that he had written all the Gamer Gurl emails and texts. How many middle-aged men have you met who can accurately write thirteen-year-old girls?
    - rumanator 6y ago
      > And happened to look like a 24 year old. Would it matter to you if it was a middle-aged man with a moustache? I mean, the same sex offender also admitted he once tried to meet a girl for sex even though it ended up being a 70 year old man. Doesn't seem to be a problem. > From the article: What's your point? That children never use clichés or memes or try to act older than they are? I mean, do you believe a 13 year old girl that states quite clearly she is 13 years old is actually in her 50s if she mentions Miami Vice? > How many middle-aged men have you met who can accurately write thirteen-year-old girls? According to the sex offender caught in the sting, quite a few times. In fact, the article stated he once met a 70 year old man when he thought he was meeting a young girl.
totetsu 6y ago
The article also hints that this could have been an adult RPing as a 13 year old, and that would not have been outside of the possibilities for members of that community, and that the photos, and the person he saw were an adult. Its not completely B/W what he was trying to do.
- tempestn 6y ago
  And the standard is supposed to be "beyond a reasonable doubt". Surely there was at least some doubt of his intent here.

shajznnckfke 6y ago

I think you’ve made a big error in your reading of this story if you got the impression that he regularly hooked up with underage girls. He regularly had sex with women, like many men. A history of having sex with women is not evidence of him being a child predator. Neither is going to meet up with someone who looks 24. If the police wanted to target actual child predators, they wouldn’t be sending out photos of 24 year olds. It seems like the were targeting non-child-predators with bad judgement. Maybe finding the real predators is too much work.

rumanator 6y ago
> I think you’ve made a big error in your reading of this story if you got the impression that he regularly hooked up with underage girls. I said he admitted he already had sex with 5 or 6 girls of unspecified age the same way he was caught trying to have sex with a 13 year old girl. That's what he did, and that was his motivation when he knowingly tried to meet that 13 year old girl. > A history of having sex with women is not evidence of him being a child predator. Trying to meet 13 year old girls for sex is the evidence of him being a child predator. > Neither is going to meet up with someone who looks 24. The girl repeatedly stated, and made it quite clear, that she was 13 years old. That fact, which was made quite clear to him and he acknowledged and fully understood she was a 13 year old girl. Still, the fact that the girl he tried to meet repeatedly stated quite clearly she was 13 years old was not deemed by the criminal as a good enough reason not o have sex with her.
- shajznnckfke 6y ago
  So just to be clear, is it your belief that Craigslist personal ads are mostly written by children? A person who says they met up with some girls from Craigslist before should be presumed to be voluntarily confessing that they have been meeting children?
  - rumanator 6y ago
    > So just to be clear, is it your belief that Craigslist personal ads are mostly written by children? The ad the convicted sex offender replied to was explicitly written by children, a fact that he was repeatedly made well aware and acknowledged during his arrest. > A person who says they met up with some girls from Craigslist before should be presumed to be voluntarily confessing that they have been meeting children? He replies to an ad posted by a 13 year old girl, and he was quite aware the underage girl he was trying to have sex with was indeed 13 years old.
    - shajznnckfke 6y ago
      There was no age mentioned in the ad.
      - rumanator 6y ago
        > There was no age mentioned in the ad. The underage girl featured in the ad repeatedly stated her age. When he replied to the ad, the convicted sex offender prompted her about her age and she made it quite clear to him that she was indeed a 13 year old girl. That fact didn't discouraged him from trying to have sex with the underage girl, and he proceeded to try to meet the underage girl with the express goal of having sex with her in mind, which ultimately led to his arrest.
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      > The ad the convicted sex offender replied to was explicitly written by children No, it wasn’t, it was written by a police officer. > He replies to an ad posted by a 13 year old girl, and he was quite aware the underage girl he was trying to have sex with was indeed 13 years old. Did he not repeatedly explain why he thought the person he was talking to was not 13?
sundvor 6y ago
Yeah look at this pic again: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-NetNanny-image-03/30mag-NetNanny-image-03-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale&width=1200 https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-Ne... That's not the picture of a 13 year old, not even by a long shot. Could easily be someone in their 30s ++ even. That task force obviously threw ethics well and truly to the wind.

stickfigure 6y ago

Direct link to the picture: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-NetNanny-image-03/30mag-NetNanny-image-03-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-Ne... I'd acquit.

sundvor 6y ago
Exactly. Would be interesting if a few people here would show their partners or friends this picture, zero content: please guess or estimate this person's age. My wife: Late 30s.

choo-t 6y ago

>During the whole sting the same agent repeatedly made it very clear that the girl he was trying to meet to have sex was 13 years old. The 24yo made it very clear that she was 13yo, while using photo of herself at 24yo ? How could two opposites informations could pose as making anything clear ?

danielheath 6y ago
Appearance is only a reliable predictor of age for 95-ish percent of people. While slightly rare, it’s not at all unheard of for a child to look like an adult (or vice versa).

fuzxi 6y ago

>During the whole sting the same agent repeatedly made it very clear that the girl he was trying to meet to have sex was 13 years old. No. One officer sent the man pictures of a 24 year old woman and lied to him that she was 13. That is anything but clear. I might agree with you if the police had sent no pictures, or pictures of a minor.

rumanator 6y ago
> No. One officer sent the man pictures of a 24 year old woman and lied to him that she was 13. No, the officer conducting the sting happened to be 24 years old. Yet, not only was the girl making it quite clear she was indeed 13 years old but also the whole sting operation was conducted based on the depiction of a 13 year old girl. Even the article, in spite of its spin, makes it quite clear that the 13 year old girl the man tried to meet for sex sounded like an immature teenager.
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- fuzxi 6y ago
  >No, the officer conducting the sting happened to be 24 years old. And happened to look like a 24 year old. >Even the article, in spite of its spin, makes it quite clear that the 13 year old girl the man tried to meet for sex sounded like an immature teenager. From the article: >She used slang a 13-year-old probably wouldn’t know, like “FTP” — “[expletive] the police” — that originated in ’80s hip-hop. The vulgarities and snide tone seemed too adult. >Detective Robert Givens, a middle-aged man, testified that he had written all the Gamer Gurl emails and texts. How many middle-aged men have you met who can accurately write thirteen-year-old girls?
  - rumanator 6y ago
    > And happened to look like a 24 year old. Would it matter to you if it was a middle-aged man with a moustache? I mean, the same sex offender also admitted he once tried to meet a girl for sex even though it ended up being a 70 year old man. Doesn't seem to be a problem. > From the article: What's your point? That children never use clichés or memes or try to act older than they are? I mean, do you believe a 13 year old girl that states quite clearly she is 13 years old is actually in her 50s if she mentions Miami Vice? > How many middle-aged men have you met who can accurately write thirteen-year-old girls? According to the sex offender caught in the sting, quite a few times. In fact, the article stated he once met a 70 year old man when he thought he was meeting a young girl.

totetsu 6y ago

The article also hints that this could have been an adult RPing as a 13 year old, and that would not have been outside of the possibilities for members of that community, and that the photos, and the person he saw were an adult. Its not completely B/W what he was trying to do.

tempestn 6y ago
And the standard is supposed to be "beyond a reasonable doubt". Surely there was at least some doubt of his intent here.