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> It seems obvious to me that management doesn't understand the target audience for the device > If you're considering the RM2 for anything other than a sketch

by shados 6y ago

> It seems obvious to me that management doesn't understand the target audience for the device > If you're considering the RM2 for anything other than a sketch/note pad It is marketed as a sketch/note pad and that's about it. The e-reader feature is like the youtube functionality on a Switch. It's there because "lolwhynot" and little more. I have one and I really love mine. But all I wanted was a digital notebook. If I wanted more than that I would have gotten a Surface tablet or an Ipad Pro. It's definitely expensive for what it is, but it's not really marketed as a mass market device either.

KallDrexx 6y ago
> It is marketed as a sketch/note pad and that's about it. The e-reader feature is like the youtube functionality on a Switch. It's there because "lolwhynot" and little more. I personally disagree with this. I almost bought one because I wanted a good notebook and a lot of notes I write these days is specifically related to ebooks and pdf documentation that I work against. I almost ordered one after seeing this post. However, from the review it appears like this will be impossible to annotate documents with. I want to be able to highlight text on an epub (like I can on my kindle) and write notes to reference later about that section. I want to draw some diagrams as I'm reading the book to make sure I'm understanding code/workflows properly, etc... I'm not sure why that's so out of the realm for a notebook style device.
- enricozb 6y ago
  Drawing and marking up PDFs works really well, I do this with math textbooks frequently, but you're correct that the highlighting is nothing more than a "drawing" You can't go to the pages you've highlighted, or even extract text you've highlighted. It's almost equivalent to being able to write directly on a textbook, however you can export your marked up document as a PDF.
- beezle 6y ago
  epub gets converted to pdf internally on the device which can be annotated. I have found it is easier in the long run to do this myself with Calibre on my desktop or laptop.
- akavel 6y ago
  Take a look at Onyx Boox gen. "2" devices, Nova 2 and esp. Max 2, may be interesting to you. (Not affiliated.)
  - KallDrexx 6y ago
    I had never heard of this brand before, interesting. The Note 2 looks almost exactly like what I want.
mellosouls 6y ago
Whatever the Remarkable is marketed as, it's an e-reader. Pretty much by definition people buying e-readers are buying them to read with. Clearly the Surface/iPad are not comparable to e-screens for that specific purpose and the obvious UX (usability) fail in the Remarkable in that regard means there is still a significant market gap for people who want an e-reader which bridges those two worlds, particularly (for me and many others) reading technical manuals.
- shados 6y ago
  > it's an e-reader It isn't though. It's a note taking device and marketed as such. Heck, when it was released, the e-reader functionality was even more deficient than it is today and barely mentioned. It's a note taking device and marketed as such. They improved the e-reader aspect a lot since then, so now it's kind of usuable as one, sortoff, but it's very much not an e-reader first.
  - mellosouls 6y ago
    To be fair to you, they are pretty keen on stressing that, while marketing within the e-reader segment. Conceding the point to you though means that there is still clearly a gap for those of us who want to read technical manuals (unless there is a device that somebody can recommend) between the brilliant linear-reading experience of e-readers and the smooth larger screen random-access UX experience of tablets like those you cite.
    - shados 6y ago
      Absolutely, though the gap is somewhat niche. Even for e-readers, the amount of people who still care about e-ink is getting smaller. In my peer group everyone moved to ipads or whatever (I don't know how they can stand it, but...).

by shados 6y ago

KallDrexx 6y ago

> It is marketed as a sketch/note pad and that's about it. The e-reader feature is like the youtube functionality on a Switch. It's there because "lolwhynot" and little more. I personally disagree with this. I almost bought one because I wanted a good notebook and a lot of notes I write these days is specifically related to ebooks and pdf documentation that I work against. I almost ordered one after seeing this post. However, from the review it appears like this will be impossible to annotate documents with. I want to be able to highlight text on an epub (like I can on my kindle) and write notes to reference later about that section. I want to draw some diagrams as I'm reading the book to make sure I'm understanding code/workflows properly, etc... I'm not sure why that's so out of the realm for a notebook style device.

enricozb 6y ago
Drawing and marking up PDFs works really well, I do this with math textbooks frequently, but you're correct that the highlighting is nothing more than a "drawing" You can't go to the pages you've highlighted, or even extract text you've highlighted. It's almost equivalent to being able to write directly on a textbook, however you can export your marked up document as a PDF.
beezle 6y ago
epub gets converted to pdf internally on the device which can be annotated. I have found it is easier in the long run to do this myself with Calibre on my desktop or laptop.
akavel 6y ago
Take a look at Onyx Boox gen. "2" devices, Nova 2 and esp. Max 2, may be interesting to you. (Not affiliated.)
- KallDrexx 6y ago
  I had never heard of this brand before, interesting. The Note 2 looks almost exactly like what I want.

mellosouls 6y ago

Whatever the Remarkable is marketed as, it's an e-reader. Pretty much by definition people buying e-readers are buying them to read with. Clearly the Surface/iPad are not comparable to e-screens for that specific purpose and the obvious UX (usability) fail in the Remarkable in that regard means there is still a significant market gap for people who want an e-reader which bridges those two worlds, particularly (for me and many others) reading technical manuals.

shados 6y ago
> it's an e-reader It isn't though. It's a note taking device and marketed as such. Heck, when it was released, the e-reader functionality was even more deficient than it is today and barely mentioned. It's a note taking device and marketed as such. They improved the e-reader aspect a lot since then, so now it's kind of usuable as one, sortoff, but it's very much not an e-reader first.
- mellosouls 6y ago
  To be fair to you, they are pretty keen on stressing that, while marketing within the e-reader segment. Conceding the point to you though means that there is still clearly a gap for those of us who want to read technical manuals (unless there is a device that somebody can recommend) between the brilliant linear-reading experience of e-readers and the smooth larger screen random-access UX experience of tablets like those you cite.
  - shados 6y ago
    Absolutely, though the gap is somewhat niche. Even for e-readers, the amount of people who still care about e-ink is getting smaller. In my peer group everyone moved to ipads or whatever (I don't know how they can stand it, but...).