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Any reason why should i buy it instead of iPad Pro 2020 or recently announced Samsung Galaxy Tab S7 plus ?

by truth_seeker 6y ago

jboynyc 6y ago
Did you look at this product? It has an e-ink display. That makes it very different from an Ipad.
- haasted 6y ago
  Yeah, the correct question is probably how it competes with something like Kindle. The presentation made me fairly intrigued.
  - jboynyc 6y ago
    It's not an e-reader but a tablet computer. The founder of ReMarkable is (or was?) a KDE developer, so they supposedly do a lot of things right when it comes to developer experience, openness, and documentation.
    - Foxboron 6y ago
      > The founder of ReMarkable is (or was?) a KDE developer The CTO is a KDE Developer and a long-time member of the Arch community.
  - matsemann 6y ago
    Unless there are some newer Kindle models I'm unaware of, they are very different. The Kindle is a passive device, where one can read and barely interact with buttons and stuff. It's great for reading books and I use it often for that, but not much more. The reMarkable is a device for production, where you can write, sketch, organize etc. The display is much quicker to update and the pen is really good. I also like that it's a bit bigger, so reading PDFs isn't as much hassle as on a smaller Kindle. At least that's my take on it. Kindle for leisure, reMarkable for work.
  - apricot 6y ago
    It probably doesn't spy on your reading habits the way a Kindle does. https://nullsweep.com/kindle-collects-a-surprisingly-large-amount-of-data/ https://nullsweep.com/kindle-collects-a-surprisingly-large-a...
- Normille 6y ago
  How durable is the e-Ink display on these? Whilst I could see myself wanting to own one, I've so far managed to bust the screens on three e-Ink devices I've owned. And I'm not exactly treating them rough. They seem to break with the slightest of knocks. Bad enough when it's a sub £100 e-Reader. But, if I was paying 3 or 4 times that much, I'd expect something that was a bit less fragile.
  - boudewijnrempt 6y ago
    Um... In my household we've gone through seven ereaders, used by four persons. Nobody has ever been able to bust the screen -- the reason people replaced their ereader was because the battery stopped being able to hold charge or the usb port to start wobbling. But the screens were fine, all the time. And e-ink screens are made by one manufacturer anyway.
    - Normille 6y ago
      1st one: Kobo Mini. Was inside a case and between two books in my rucksack and broke just carrying it home from work 2nd one: Another Kobo Mini. Broke inside the thigh pocket of my combat trousers. It was also in a case and had the screen facing inwards, towards my leg, specifically to avoid the risk of me bumping it against something. 3rd one: Kobo Aura. I had high hopes of this one as, unlike the previous two, where the screen seemingly had no form of overlaid protection, this one's outer screen was actually made of hard plastic. However, after a drop of a mere two or three feet onto carpet, the e-Ink screen in that somehow managed to break inside, leaving the hard plastic outer unmarked. Maybe I've just had really bad luck [or maybe I should try a different brand than Kobo next time!] but e-Ink screens just seem ridiculously fragile to me. I was especially annoyed with the last one [the Kobo Aura] where the vibration of it hitting the carpetted floor was enough to break the screen, even behind a layer of hard plastic. Even if I could afford it, there's no way I would risk £300 or £400 on an e-Ink device. Not until the technology toughens up a hell of a lot.
      - sersi 6y ago
        Just an anecdote but I broke a Kobo Aura exactly like you did but never had any issues with kindle or with a pocketbook I really like Kobo but they do seem rather fragile.
_ph_ 6y ago
Because it has an eInk display instead of a lcd. I ordered one while already owning an iPad Pro.
jmull 6y ago
Well, it’s $399, which is very different price point than an iPad Pro with Apple pencil. They detail some other advantages, like the texture of the surface, though we can’t evaluate that without getting one in hand. It’s a much more focused device, which is a pro and a con. Personally, I’ll stick with my iPad Pro, but I hope this is actually good and successful.
- JKCalhoun 6y ago
  I put a textured surface on my iPad Pro to great effect. It's one of those stick-on "screen protector" affairs. I find it much nicer if you predominantly use the Apple pencil (Procreate, etc.). I haven't yet tried it with the new handwriting recognition in iOS.
  - _blop 6y ago
    I frequently hear that screen protectors which mimic paper surface lead to a much faster abrasion of the tip of the Apple pencil. Is this the same in your case?
    - tito 6y ago
      I also added a screen cover to my iPad to get texture with Pencil. I haven't seen fast abrasion with this cover. Pencil tips seem to last a really long time. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00G4SA1FG/ref=ppx_yo_mob_b_inactive_ship_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00G4SA1FG/ref=ppx_yo_mob_b_i...
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  Just to add some figures from UK: With the pen that has an eraser, and the flip cover, is £479. Normal price ~£600 (~$800) in UK. iPad Pro 11" with pencil comes to £890. Surface Pro 7 £870. But a Surface Go 2 with pen is £500 and chapter iPad options are around too.
tastyfreeze 6y ago
ReMarkable tablets don't have the same use case as LCD screen tablets. With an e-ink screen battery time is in another league. If you want to watch videos and browse internet this isn't the tablet to get. If you want a notepad that can store and display every document you might want that is where "paper replacement" tablets come in.
matsemann 6y ago
The feel on Remarkable 1 vs a tablet was quite drastic when it comes to writing, tablets were not even close. Without having tried iPad Pro 2020 or reMarkable 2, my guess is that the gap will still be considerable. And this is a single-use-case device, with pro's and cons based on that. Battery time, for instance. And like less than half the price of the cheapest iPad pro configuration without even getting a pen for your iPad at that price.
hartator 6y ago
I would say Remarkable is superior when taking notes. Mostly because it feels like regular paper without any bells and whistle. And you still do some advanced organization and editing.
nudpiedo 6y ago
It features a distraction free OS and an eInk display. That lack of distractions and specialized goal is the reason to buy it.
kissgyorgy 6y ago
Apples and oranges. If you are writing/drawing a lot on paper, you might find this very useful.
marvindanig 6y ago
No reason at all. At least we get to enjoy books, videos, notes and most importantly open web on proper hardware with the iPad.
x87678r 6y ago
Good point I have a kobo forma which at 7.8 is a bigger than normal ereader that is good for technical books. Outside I use the kobo (and I use less often than I expected), but inside I have a cheap windows tablet which is faster, easier to read and does other stuff too.
KaiserPro 6y ago
> iPad Pro 2020 against that? no thats about $1100, pencil, folio and ipad. The remarkable is a bargain compared to that. Granted the iPad can do a lot more. Where it struggles is against an ipad air/mini and apple pencil. Its roughly the same price point, but the ipad does a lot more. Goodnotes is a very capable journalling tool. On the plus side you get the full iOS universe of apps and media. On the downside the battery life is nowhere near as good, and the screen isn't optimised for text like the remarkable is. I have no idea about the galaxy tab. I'm weary of android tablets as they are a mixed bag. Some are awesome, some are brilliant for the price, and some are just trash.

Any reason why should i buy it instead of iPad Pro 2020 or recently announced Samsung Galaxy Tab S7 plus ?

jboynyc 6y ago

Did you look at this product? It has an e-ink display. That makes it very different from an Ipad.

haasted 6y ago
Yeah, the correct question is probably how it competes with something like Kindle. The presentation made me fairly intrigued.
- jboynyc 6y ago
  It's not an e-reader but a tablet computer. The founder of ReMarkable is (or was?) a KDE developer, so they supposedly do a lot of things right when it comes to developer experience, openness, and documentation.
  - Foxboron 6y ago
    > The founder of ReMarkable is (or was?) a KDE developer The CTO is a KDE Developer and a long-time member of the Arch community.
- matsemann 6y ago
  Unless there are some newer Kindle models I'm unaware of, they are very different. The Kindle is a passive device, where one can read and barely interact with buttons and stuff. It's great for reading books and I use it often for that, but not much more. The reMarkable is a device for production, where you can write, sketch, organize etc. The display is much quicker to update and the pen is really good. I also like that it's a bit bigger, so reading PDFs isn't as much hassle as on a smaller Kindle. At least that's my take on it. Kindle for leisure, reMarkable for work.
- apricot 6y ago
  It probably doesn't spy on your reading habits the way a Kindle does. https://nullsweep.com/kindle-collects-a-surprisingly-large-amount-of-data/ https://nullsweep.com/kindle-collects-a-surprisingly-large-a...
Normille 6y ago
How durable is the e-Ink display on these? Whilst I could see myself wanting to own one, I've so far managed to bust the screens on three e-Ink devices I've owned. And I'm not exactly treating them rough. They seem to break with the slightest of knocks. Bad enough when it's a sub £100 e-Reader. But, if I was paying 3 or 4 times that much, I'd expect something that was a bit less fragile.
- boudewijnrempt 6y ago
  Um... In my household we've gone through seven ereaders, used by four persons. Nobody has ever been able to bust the screen -- the reason people replaced their ereader was because the battery stopped being able to hold charge or the usb port to start wobbling. But the screens were fine, all the time. And e-ink screens are made by one manufacturer anyway.
  - Normille 6y ago
    1st one: Kobo Mini. Was inside a case and between two books in my rucksack and broke just carrying it home from work 2nd one: Another Kobo Mini. Broke inside the thigh pocket of my combat trousers. It was also in a case and had the screen facing inwards, towards my leg, specifically to avoid the risk of me bumping it against something. 3rd one: Kobo Aura. I had high hopes of this one as, unlike the previous two, where the screen seemingly had no form of overlaid protection, this one's outer screen was actually made of hard plastic. However, after a drop of a mere two or three feet onto carpet, the e-Ink screen in that somehow managed to break inside, leaving the hard plastic outer unmarked. Maybe I've just had really bad luck [or maybe I should try a different brand than Kobo next time!] but e-Ink screens just seem ridiculously fragile to me. I was especially annoyed with the last one [the Kobo Aura] where the vibration of it hitting the carpetted floor was enough to break the screen, even behind a layer of hard plastic. Even if I could afford it, there's no way I would risk £300 or £400 on an e-Ink device. Not until the technology toughens up a hell of a lot.
    - sersi 6y ago
      Just an anecdote but I broke a Kobo Aura exactly like you did but never had any issues with kindle or with a pocketbook I really like Kobo but they do seem rather fragile.

_ph_ 6y ago

Because it has an eInk display instead of a lcd. I ordered one while already owning an iPad Pro.

jmull 6y ago

Well, it’s $399, which is very different price point than an iPad Pro with Apple pencil. They detail some other advantages, like the texture of the surface, though we can’t evaluate that without getting one in hand. It’s a much more focused device, which is a pro and a con. Personally, I’ll stick with my iPad Pro, but I hope this is actually good and successful.

JKCalhoun 6y ago
I put a textured surface on my iPad Pro to great effect. It's one of those stick-on "screen protector" affairs. I find it much nicer if you predominantly use the Apple pencil (Procreate, etc.). I haven't yet tried it with the new handwriting recognition in iOS.
- _blop 6y ago
  I frequently hear that screen protectors which mimic paper surface lead to a much faster abrasion of the tip of the Apple pencil. Is this the same in your case?
  - tito 6y ago
    I also added a screen cover to my iPad to get texture with Pencil. I haven't seen fast abrasion with this cover. Pencil tips seem to last a really long time. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00G4SA1FG/ref=ppx_yo_mob_b_inactive_ship_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00G4SA1FG/ref=ppx_yo_mob_b_i...
pbhjpbhj 6y ago
Just to add some figures from UK: With the pen that has an eraser, and the flip cover, is £479. Normal price ~£600 (~$800) in UK. iPad Pro 11" with pencil comes to £890. Surface Pro 7 £870. But a Surface Go 2 with pen is £500 and chapter iPad options are around too.

tastyfreeze 6y ago

ReMarkable tablets don't have the same use case as LCD screen tablets. With an e-ink screen battery time is in another league. If you want to watch videos and browse internet this isn't the tablet to get. If you want a notepad that can store and display every document you might want that is where "paper replacement" tablets come in.

matsemann 6y ago

The feel on Remarkable 1 vs a tablet was quite drastic when it comes to writing, tablets were not even close. Without having tried iPad Pro 2020 or reMarkable 2, my guess is that the gap will still be considerable. And this is a single-use-case device, with pro's and cons based on that. Battery time, for instance. And like less than half the price of the cheapest iPad pro configuration without even getting a pen for your iPad at that price.

hartator 6y ago

I would say Remarkable is superior when taking notes. Mostly because it feels like regular paper without any bells and whistle. And you still do some advanced organization and editing.

nudpiedo 6y ago

It features a distraction free OS and an eInk display. That lack of distractions and specialized goal is the reason to buy it.

kissgyorgy 6y ago

Apples and oranges. If you are writing/drawing a lot on paper, you might find this very useful.

marvindanig 6y ago

No reason at all. At least we get to enjoy books, videos, notes and most importantly open web on proper hardware with the iPad.

x87678r 6y ago

Good point I have a kobo forma which at 7.8 is a bigger than normal ereader that is good for technical books. Outside I use the kobo (and I use less often than I expected), but inside I have a cheap windows tablet which is faster, easier to read and does other stuff too.

KaiserPro 6y ago

> iPad Pro 2020 against that? no thats about $1100, pencil, folio and ipad. The remarkable is a bargain compared to that. Granted the iPad can do a lot more. Where it struggles is against an ipad air/mini and apple pencil. Its roughly the same price point, but the ipad does a lot more. Goodnotes is a very capable journalling tool. On the plus side you get the full iOS universe of apps and media. On the downside the battery life is nowhere near as good, and the screen isn't optimised for text like the remarkable is. I have no idea about the galaxy tab. I'm weary of android tablets as they are a mixed bag. Some are awesome, some are brilliant for the price, and some are just trash.