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Hey all, Muse cofounder here. I’ve been on Hacker News 13 years but this is my first Show HN. You might know me from YC08 and as Heroku cofounder and author of
by adamwiggins 6y ago
Hey all, Muse cofounder here. I’ve been on Hacker News 13 years but this is my first Show HN. You might know me from YC08 and as Heroku cofounder and author of 12factor.net.
Today my team and I are launching Muse, a thinking tool.
Engineers sometimes talk about “typing problems” and “thinking problems”; Muse is for the latter. For example: designing a distributed system, doing a deep read of an algorithms paper, or creating a product roadmap.
My colleagues and I spent a few years doing research at a lab called Ink & Switch. You can read HN discussions of our publications on software performance [1], the creative process [2], and local-first software [3].
[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18506170 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18506170
[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20255457 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20255457
[3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21581444 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21581444
One research question for us was whether touchscreens could ever be as powerful as desktop tools like vim or emacs. That resulted a prototype we named Muse. We saw commercial potential and spun it out of the lab last year.
A founding insight for Muse is that deep thinking happens away from the computer. e.g. in a sketchbook, on a whiteboard, or just in your head. There are some up-and-coming tools for thought like Notion and Roam but they’re tied to the desktop/laptop form factor and primarily focused on text. We saw an opportunity for a thinking tool that blends together visual media, text, and offers spatial navigation on a tablet.
Since this is a technical crowd, you might be interested in some of the challenges building this thing, like maintaining 120fps at all times. There is no concept of opening a file or a loading screen—you just navigate to a document and it’s already there. Ink rendering is another ongoing engineering challenge, from point simplification to curve fitting to stroke masking for the eraser. Happy to talk about any of this in the comments.
We’re charging $100/year, comparable to other prosumer tools like Dropbox, Evernote, Roam, etc. There’s a generous free tier and you can export your data as a flat files (PNG, PDF, TXT).
We’re building in public on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MuseAppHQ https://twitter.com/MuseAppHQ and Mark and I talk shop on our podcast: https://museapp.com/podcast https://museapp.com/podcast
HN is known for sharp critique, so bring it on. Will also answer questions or accept praise if you feel like doing one of those :-)
- FreezerburnV 6y agoHi Adam, great to see Muse finally launch! I saw it talked about in some of those earlier posts and have been interested in it for a while. I still need to actually install this and give it a try (saw it just before a work meeting sadly, about to have lunch with the spouse, etc.), but did want to ask a quick question about it in comparison to an iPad app I found recently called Endless Paper. The main point of it being to have an infinitely zoomable/scrollable “document” you can both draw on with a stylus but also import pictures you can draw over, etc. How does Muse compare to that kind of idea, and does it offer something similar to that? Or is it more of something like Tinderbox where you can organize a whole bunch of different things at a single “zoom level” in a sense? I’ll leave thoughts once I get a chance to play around with it some :)
- adamwiggins 6y agoThanks! Tinderbox (https://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/ https://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/) is a great comparison—they have a different design aesthetic, cost a bit more ($249 one-time), but similar use case of deep knowledge work and thinking. Endless Paper (https://www.endlesspaper.app/ https://www.endlesspaper.app/) is a sketching/drawing app, so not very similar to Muse. On the infinite canvas point: this is one of the things we researched in the lab. Our studies revealed that it sounds nice, but in practice it's incredibly disorienting because you have no sense of scale. That's why we have a discretely-zooming interface; the difference is subtle but critical for high-speed thinking working.
- Johnathanb 6y agoA $249 one off charge is definitely not more expensive than a $100 a year subscription. You're trippin' bro
- agambrahma 6y agoWanted to chime in and "+1" the Tinderbox recommendation, and add that it's a bit less suited for heavy images being pasted in and edited, and more towards textual content -- but it more than makes up by offering combinations of layout, nesting, composition and "programmable" operations on these textual nodes.