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There are blank spots on western maps too, I can think of at least one [1] that isn't in Google maps. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviano_Air_Base https:/

by rjsw 6y ago

There are blank spots on western maps too, I can think of at least one [1] that isn't in Google maps. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviano_Air_Base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviano_Air_Base

t3rabytes 6y ago
Not true -- https://www.google.com/maps/place/Aviano+Air+Base/@46.0333642,12.5899364,6763m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47797a73c3f500fd:0x696a4ad38bdf15ea!8m2!3d46.0255886!4d12.6122712 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Aviano+Air+Base/@46.033364...
- the_gipsy 6y ago
  Try this one, I just noticed it while on vacation nearby: https://maps.app.goo.gl/ccm3ZcQ771mb6Jtj8 https://maps.app.goo.gl/ccm3ZcQ771mb6Jtj8 Edit sorry I can't link to satellite view from mobile. It's the Mola Fortress on Menorca.
  - enriquto 6y ago
    In France, many military and nuclear facilities are also smoothed out in google maps. It seems a bit ridiculous since you can easily see public (free and paid) satellite images of the same places.
    - speps 6y ago
      Frenchelon example: Blurred: https://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=44.786389~1.238056&style=h&lvl=15&sp=Point.44.786389_1.238056_Frenchelon___ https://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=44.786389~1.238056&style=h... Revealed: http://osmz.ru/imagery/#18/44.78662/1.23807/mp http://osmz.ru/imagery/#18/44.78662/1.23807/mp
  - suprfsat 6y ago
    The Maxar/DigitalGlobe imagery is sharp: http://osmz.ru/imagery/#16/39.8754/4.3182/mp http://osmz.ru/imagery/#16/39.8754/4.3182/mp
  - stordoff 6y ago
    If you look at the historical imagery in Google Earth, it'll show your the 2015 imagery fine: https://i.imgur.com/Jk8Kn1r.png https://i.imgur.com/Jk8Kn1r.png It's noticeably lower resolution than the surrounding 2017 imagery, but it doesn't appear to be censored in the same way (it's of the same quality as the surrounding areas when imaged in 2015). It does the same for what appears to be a large circular antenna installation just to the west of here.
- rjsw 6y ago
  Ok, it has changed, it was just a blank space when I was driving around there in 2016.
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stordoff 6y ago
Wikipedia has a list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_satellite_map_images_with_missing_or_unclear_data https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_satellite_map_images_w...
gruez 6y ago
So? The issue isn't satellite/aerial imagery being censored, it's that it's being censored to cover up unsavory things. The equivalent in the US would be ICE/CBP detention camps being covered up on maps, but it doesn't look like that's happening: https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities
- newacct583 6y ago
  During the months in 2018 where Child Separation was official US policy, there were absolutely attempts made by the government to prevent reporting on the known facilities, discovery of which facilities held separated children, or even reporting on accounting data of how many children were being held. It's true that this sort of thing works poorly in the US (e.g. eventually someone on the cleaning staff gets upset and calls a journalist). But the impetus was absolutely identical. The US government tries to hide its crimes too, basically. We're just bad at it. (And Child Separation proved a PR disaster, and officially ended even though lots of those kids will probably never see their parents again).

by rjsw 6y ago

There are blank spots on western maps too, I can think of at least one [1] that isn't in Google maps. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviano_Air_Base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviano_Air_Base

t3rabytes 6y ago

Not true -- https://www.google.com/maps/place/Aviano+Air+Base/@46.0333642,12.5899364,6763m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47797a73c3f500fd:0x696a4ad38bdf15ea!8m2!3d46.0255886!4d12.6122712 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Aviano+Air+Base/@46.033364...

the_gipsy 6y ago
Try this one, I just noticed it while on vacation nearby: https://maps.app.goo.gl/ccm3ZcQ771mb6Jtj8 https://maps.app.goo.gl/ccm3ZcQ771mb6Jtj8 Edit sorry I can't link to satellite view from mobile. It's the Mola Fortress on Menorca.
- enriquto 6y ago
  In France, many military and nuclear facilities are also smoothed out in google maps. It seems a bit ridiculous since you can easily see public (free and paid) satellite images of the same places.
  - speps 6y ago
    Frenchelon example: Blurred: https://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=44.786389~1.238056&style=h&lvl=15&sp=Point.44.786389_1.238056_Frenchelon___ https://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=44.786389~1.238056&style=h... Revealed: http://osmz.ru/imagery/#18/44.78662/1.23807/mp http://osmz.ru/imagery/#18/44.78662/1.23807/mp
- suprfsat 6y ago
  The Maxar/DigitalGlobe imagery is sharp: http://osmz.ru/imagery/#16/39.8754/4.3182/mp http://osmz.ru/imagery/#16/39.8754/4.3182/mp
- stordoff 6y ago
  If you look at the historical imagery in Google Earth, it'll show your the 2015 imagery fine: https://i.imgur.com/Jk8Kn1r.png https://i.imgur.com/Jk8Kn1r.png It's noticeably lower resolution than the surrounding 2017 imagery, but it doesn't appear to be censored in the same way (it's of the same quality as the surrounding areas when imaged in 2015). It does the same for what appears to be a large circular antenna installation just to the west of here.
rjsw 6y ago
Ok, it has changed, it was just a blank space when I was driving around there in 2016.

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stordoff 6y ago

Wikipedia has a list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_satellite_map_images_with_missing_or_unclear_data https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_satellite_map_images_w...

gruez 6y ago

So? The issue isn't satellite/aerial imagery being censored, it's that it's being censored to cover up unsavory things. The equivalent in the US would be ICE/CBP detention camps being covered up on maps, but it doesn't look like that's happening: https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities

newacct583 6y ago
During the months in 2018 where Child Separation was official US policy, there were absolutely attempts made by the government to prevent reporting on the known facilities, discovery of which facilities held separated children, or even reporting on accounting data of how many children were being held. It's true that this sort of thing works poorly in the US (e.g. eventually someone on the cleaning staff gets upset and calls a journalist). But the impetus was absolutely identical. The US government tries to hide its crimes too, basically. We're just bad at it. (And Child Separation proved a PR disaster, and officially ended even though lots of those kids will probably never see their parents again).