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Why hasn't this been a problem for Zoom? If somebody has data about government employees or even recordings of meetings then it is Zoom, not TikTok.

by 2rmm 6y ago

netsharc 6y ago
The joke is, kids/K-Pop fans communicated on TikTok to "prank" Trump by buying tickets to his rally and not showing up, making him look bad, and 10 days later Trump started roaring about the app. Of course Fox News, etc, claim "this Chinese app is subverting democracy", etc, but IMHO they were just using it to communicate...
- michannne 6y ago
  I would hope the majority of people who are aware of international affairs do not think so lowly of the American people, so dimly of American government, and so shallowly of international politics, that they'd believe our president would (or be allowed to, for that matter) coordinate a government-wide subversion campaign with far-reaching consequences over a prank
  - modalkb 6y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24290910 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24290910
  - martin_a 6y ago
    We're still talking about Donald "grab them by the pussy" Trump here, aren't we? ANYTHING is possible in the USA since that guy got president.
    - michannne 6y ago
      You do realize Barack Obama fucked his wife right? Multiple times as they have 2 children. They probably talk dirty to each other when they're alone, like almost every other couple that exists. Should I now think less of Obama on the off chance he secretly spanks his wife in bed? My point is you have to be very far removed from society to believe that no one has ever talked in a vulgar fashion, especially in a country as sexualized as ours. And to then equate vulgar chat in private conversation somehow with the idea that nonsense is suddenly an acceptable state for Americans. You can think what you want.
      - netsharc 6y ago
        From your 2 replies I'm presuming you are a Trump defender, at least you're denying parts of reality and twisting facts so they conform to your image of the world (that he's a good, at least decent president, and that you're not an idiot for supporting him). Sorry, the issue isn't the private conversation, the issue is that the contents of that conversation was him saying he can get away sexually assaulting women because of he's a "star". If Barack Obama was recorded saying something like that while talking to friends, would you defend him?
        michannne 6y ago
        Yes of course, because anyone who would dare to not fill their post with detriment of the president, must in fact also support the president, contrary to any information otherwise. Assume what you want, I don't support Trump and apparently I don't need to attract hate from others like you, not that I am in any way suprised. >If Barack Obama was recorded saying something like that while talking to friends, would you defend him? I wouldn't care. Not a single bone in my body would resonate emotionally with what he said, because seemingly I have the rare, esoteric knowledge of understanding that humans will talk about particularly dirty topics when they're with friends.
        michannne 6y ago
        I can't reply to your other post, presumably because the thread is too deep. For one, you continue to make assumptions about me. By all means feel free, if this year has been any indication I can only expect the vilification of anyone not immediately damning the president will continue. >Holy bejesus. And how is his ability to lead a country? Do you think it is as good/poor as how he seemingly treat random women? I don't know how to get across to you the point that people talk about dirty things in private. If you want to believe that that kind of conversation is the domain of devils, be my guest, you don't seem like the type to be swayed by reason. >On the topic of ethics, how about the ethics of having sex with (and then paying off) a porn star I still don't care, unsurprisingly. It really isn't that hard. >How shallow does your judgement go Because I choose not to base your abilities on how you talk to your friends in private? Then release all of your text messages for the public to see, since you seem to be living in a reality where people all hold hands and sing kumbaya, and talk about science and hand-holding every waking moment of the day. You have a job, don't you? Would you also be so deaf to posit to me you don't have any skeletons in your closet? I'm able to make the reasonable judgement that the president doesn't go around for his scheduled 2 PM rape session every Thursday, but apparently that's too much, and I should dial back my comparisons to the guy's humanity. >OK Genghis Khan was a good leader, he also did a lot of raping, sadly for Trump and his defenders the kind of leadership needed nowadays isn't the 11th century kind and I doubt he could ride a horse fast Truly ironic that you're simultaneously able to make the distinction there is not a 1:1 correlation with leadership capability and personal action for a literal rapist but not for the president. If anything this discussion has shown me how disgustingly vapid people can become when they are unable to refrain from having their emotion leak through every single post when the word "Trump" is brought up.
  - erklik 6y ago
    I mean this is the same President who falsified a weather map using a sharpie because it violated what he had said earlier in mistake (I am guessing it was a mistake). He was allowed to coordinate a government-wide campaign that was impacting a large amount of people, and violated various integrity codes of NOAA and resulted in citizens being provided with false information, as well as eroded the trust of people in an integral agency.
  - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
    Come on, this is Trump we are talking about, all form of reason and decorum was thrown out the window along time ago. Whether he is allowed to or not is up for the courts to decide.
  - netsharc 6y ago
    Not sure about the majority, but I do think dimly of the American government. Especially the last 4 years. As for the people? When they vote in QAnon supporters into congress ( https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-congress-conspiracy-idUSKCN2591C9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-congress-con... )... But on being "allowed to", incredibly Trump is surrounded by Yes-Men, and it seems only fools dare accept his appointment, even fools whose reputation was great so far in their lives: https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/12/10/john-kelly-leaves-white-house-with-his-reputation-tatters/G9RS2iyzKgi1atydmsQvZP/story.html https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/12/10/john-kelly-le... . Of course there are a lot things Congress and Senate can do to block him (but Mitch McConnell is another Yes-men, what is it with conservatives and their lack of spines?), but in the example of TikTok, he used executive order to demand the stuff.
- modalkb 6y ago
  I do, as an indian भारतीय think pretty low of Americans who would lap up propaganda because it comes from their preferred party. When it's Bernie "open borders is a koch brothers idea" Sanders then he is a messsiah for the poor, but when it's trump, he's a dotard. When it's Clinton "blacks are superpredators" , she's an angel, but when trump tries to give college fudings to blacks, he's racist. Liberal leftists are living in their own world and their failure to accept truth is what causes them to be constantly outraged
kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
WeChat is a more credible threat but the anglosphere media is mostly ignorant of them so TikTok it is.
- kube-system 6y ago
  WeChat isn't a threat because barely any Americans use it.
  - kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
    Many Chinese Americans use it to communicate with family. Some of them work on sensitive programs and are easily monitored by a multi app with broad permissions.
    - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
      Chinese immigrants are the primary users in the states, and they don’t use it for any economic transactions in the USA, obviously (stores might support wepay, but that is targeted at Chinese tourists).
    - kube-system 6y ago
      That is why I said “barely any”, instead of “zero”.
- kmonsen 6y ago
  The executive order targets wechat as well.
- kerng 6y ago
  Isnt Trump's action including Wechat/Tencent as well?
kube-system 6y ago
There have been some concerns about Zoom, but as far as why the feds don't care as much? Not sure, but if I were to guess: * I bet feds and their employees/contractors are not using zoom for official business * Most people aren't really putting their personal lives on zoom outside of work
shafyy 6y ago
Zoom is a US company
- vacuum04 6y ago
  And zoom is not controlled by a Chinese company under the control of CCP
threeseed 6y ago
Because I can file a lawsuit against Zoom or I can speak to the press and have them investigate any evidence I may have. You can't do either with a Chinese company.
- seanmcdirmid 6y ago
  You can file a lawsuit against any company that operates in the USA.
- coliveira 6y ago
  TikTok is not a Chinese company, it operates under US laws. You're just repeating disinformation spread by the US government.
  - kube-system 6y ago
    > TikTok is not a Chinese company, it operates under US laws. TikTok is a subsidiary of ByteDance which is headquartered in Beijing. It operates under US law, and it operates under the control of a parent company that operates under CCP control. > You're just repeating disinformation spread by the US government. The claims made by the person you are responding to are not things the US government has said. In fact, you can file suit against foreign companies in the US -- this person's misunderstanding of the situation has nothing to do with the US government's stated concerns.

Why hasn't this been a problem for Zoom? If somebody has data about government employees or even recordings of meetings then it is Zoom, not TikTok.

by 2rmm 6y ago

Why hasn't this been a problem for Zoom? If somebody has data about government employees or even recordings of meetings then it is Zoom, not TikTok.

netsharc 6y ago

The joke is, kids/K-Pop fans communicated on TikTok to "prank" Trump by buying tickets to his rally and not showing up, making him look bad, and 10 days later Trump started roaring about the app. Of course Fox News, etc, claim "this Chinese app is subverting democracy", etc, but IMHO they were just using it to communicate...

michannne 6y ago
I would hope the majority of people who are aware of international affairs do not think so lowly of the American people, so dimly of American government, and so shallowly of international politics, that they'd believe our president would (or be allowed to, for that matter) coordinate a government-wide subversion campaign with far-reaching consequences over a prank
- modalkb 6y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24290910 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24290910
- martin_a 6y ago
  We're still talking about Donald "grab them by the pussy" Trump here, aren't we? ANYTHING is possible in the USA since that guy got president.
  - michannne 6y ago
    You do realize Barack Obama fucked his wife right? Multiple times as they have 2 children. They probably talk dirty to each other when they're alone, like almost every other couple that exists. Should I now think less of Obama on the off chance he secretly spanks his wife in bed? My point is you have to be very far removed from society to believe that no one has ever talked in a vulgar fashion, especially in a country as sexualized as ours. And to then equate vulgar chat in private conversation somehow with the idea that nonsense is suddenly an acceptable state for Americans. You can think what you want.
    - netsharc 6y ago
      From your 2 replies I'm presuming you are a Trump defender, at least you're denying parts of reality and twisting facts so they conform to your image of the world (that he's a good, at least decent president, and that you're not an idiot for supporting him). Sorry, the issue isn't the private conversation, the issue is that the contents of that conversation was him saying he can get away sexually assaulting women because of he's a "star". If Barack Obama was recorded saying something like that while talking to friends, would you defend him?
      - michannne 6y ago
        Yes of course, because anyone who would dare to not fill their post with detriment of the president, must in fact also support the president, contrary to any information otherwise. Assume what you want, I don't support Trump and apparently I don't need to attract hate from others like you, not that I am in any way suprised. >If Barack Obama was recorded saying something like that while talking to friends, would you defend him? I wouldn't care. Not a single bone in my body would resonate emotionally with what he said, because seemingly I have the rare, esoteric knowledge of understanding that humans will talk about particularly dirty topics when they're with friends.
      - michannne 6y ago
        I can't reply to your other post, presumably because the thread is too deep. For one, you continue to make assumptions about me. By all means feel free, if this year has been any indication I can only expect the vilification of anyone not immediately damning the president will continue. >Holy bejesus. And how is his ability to lead a country? Do you think it is as good/poor as how he seemingly treat random women? I don't know how to get across to you the point that people talk about dirty things in private. If you want to believe that that kind of conversation is the domain of devils, be my guest, you don't seem like the type to be swayed by reason. >On the topic of ethics, how about the ethics of having sex with (and then paying off) a porn star I still don't care, unsurprisingly. It really isn't that hard. >How shallow does your judgement go Because I choose not to base your abilities on how you talk to your friends in private? Then release all of your text messages for the public to see, since you seem to be living in a reality where people all hold hands and sing kumbaya, and talk about science and hand-holding every waking moment of the day. You have a job, don't you? Would you also be so deaf to posit to me you don't have any skeletons in your closet? I'm able to make the reasonable judgement that the president doesn't go around for his scheduled 2 PM rape session every Thursday, but apparently that's too much, and I should dial back my comparisons to the guy's humanity. >OK Genghis Khan was a good leader, he also did a lot of raping, sadly for Trump and his defenders the kind of leadership needed nowadays isn't the 11th century kind and I doubt he could ride a horse fast Truly ironic that you're simultaneously able to make the distinction there is not a 1:1 correlation with leadership capability and personal action for a literal rapist but not for the president. If anything this discussion has shown me how disgustingly vapid people can become when they are unable to refrain from having their emotion leak through every single post when the word "Trump" is brought up.
- erklik 6y ago
  I mean this is the same President who falsified a weather map using a sharpie because it violated what he had said earlier in mistake (I am guessing it was a mistake). He was allowed to coordinate a government-wide campaign that was impacting a large amount of people, and violated various integrity codes of NOAA and resulted in citizens being provided with false information, as well as eroded the trust of people in an integral agency.
- seanmcdirmid 6y ago
  Come on, this is Trump we are talking about, all form of reason and decorum was thrown out the window along time ago. Whether he is allowed to or not is up for the courts to decide.
- netsharc 6y ago
  Not sure about the majority, but I do think dimly of the American government. Especially the last 4 years. As for the people? When they vote in QAnon supporters into congress ( https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-congress-conspiracy-idUSKCN2591C9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-congress-con... )... But on being "allowed to", incredibly Trump is surrounded by Yes-Men, and it seems only fools dare accept his appointment, even fools whose reputation was great so far in their lives: https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/12/10/john-kelly-leaves-white-house-with-his-reputation-tatters/G9RS2iyzKgi1atydmsQvZP/story.html https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/12/10/john-kelly-le... . Of course there are a lot things Congress and Senate can do to block him (but Mitch McConnell is another Yes-men, what is it with conservatives and their lack of spines?), but in the example of TikTok, he used executive order to demand the stuff.
modalkb 6y ago
I do, as an indian भारतीय think pretty low of Americans who would lap up propaganda because it comes from their preferred party. When it's Bernie "open borders is a koch brothers idea" Sanders then he is a messsiah for the poor, but when it's trump, he's a dotard. When it's Clinton "blacks are superpredators" , she's an angel, but when trump tries to give college fudings to blacks, he's racist. Liberal leftists are living in their own world and their failure to accept truth is what causes them to be constantly outraged

kevin_thibedeau 6y ago

WeChat is a more credible threat but the anglosphere media is mostly ignorant of them so TikTok it is.

kube-system 6y ago
WeChat isn't a threat because barely any Americans use it.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
  Many Chinese Americans use it to communicate with family. Some of them work on sensitive programs and are easily monitored by a multi app with broad permissions.
  - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
    Chinese immigrants are the primary users in the states, and they don’t use it for any economic transactions in the USA, obviously (stores might support wepay, but that is targeted at Chinese tourists).
  - kube-system 6y ago
    That is why I said “barely any”, instead of “zero”.
kmonsen 6y ago
The executive order targets wechat as well.
kerng 6y ago
Isnt Trump's action including Wechat/Tencent as well?

kube-system 6y ago

There have been some concerns about Zoom, but as far as why the feds don't care as much? Not sure, but if I were to guess: * I bet feds and their employees/contractors are not using zoom for official business * Most people aren't really putting their personal lives on zoom outside of work

shafyy 6y ago

Zoom is a US company

vacuum04 6y ago
And zoom is not controlled by a Chinese company under the control of CCP

threeseed 6y ago

Because I can file a lawsuit against Zoom or I can speak to the press and have them investigate any evidence I may have. You can't do either with a Chinese company.

seanmcdirmid 6y ago
You can file a lawsuit against any company that operates in the USA.
coliveira 6y ago
TikTok is not a Chinese company, it operates under US laws. You're just repeating disinformation spread by the US government.
- kube-system 6y ago
  > TikTok is not a Chinese company, it operates under US laws. TikTok is a subsidiary of ByteDance which is headquartered in Beijing. It operates under US law, and it operates under the control of a parent company that operates under CCP control. > You're just repeating disinformation spread by the US government. The claims made by the person you are responding to are not things the US government has said. In fact, you can file suit against foreign companies in the US -- this person's misunderstanding of the situation has nothing to do with the US government's stated concerns.