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In the perfectly reasonable world where the protest was escalated by rioters, anarchists, and arsonists (you know, like every protest in portland, since ever) a
by lawnchair_larry 6y ago
In the perfectly reasonable world where the protest was escalated by rioters, anarchists, and arsonists (you know, like every protest in portland, since ever) and the police issue a dispersal order as a response to buildings on fire and violent attacks. Then they issue 5 more. Then they announce it on twitter. There is NO other way to deal with a riot. The police are vastly outnumbered and have very few tools to do their job. Well there is another way, but it’s far worse.
Nothing about these “protests” after dark is brave. It’s shameful and cowardly. So is the response from politicians.
- shirakawasuna 6y agoIn SEA, that's not how it's worked. The police violence has come before the announcements. Before any serious property damage (not that property damage justifies collective punishment or chemical weapons). Have you been to the protests in PDX? Seen the cops hurting people for standing in a protest?
- lawnchair_larry 6y agoThis is false for both Seattle and Portland. Like pretty much everything else you’re saying.
- shirakawasuna 6y agoAbsolute nonsense. I was there, repeatedly. They shot first and either then made an announcement or never made one. Example: they announced a curfew via text a few minutes before it went into effect. Many didn't get this because they didn't have their phones with them. Tear gas and flashbangs had already been deployed with zero warnings from police. It is not helpful or okay to assert such falsehoods with confidence.
- jessaustin 6y agoLarry has been reading some very reputable stoke-the-racial-fear blogs!
- lawnchair_larry 6y agoThat’s a pretty disgusting and shameful comment.
- jessaustin 6y agoNo, it's not. I did a search for the string "lawnchair_larry" on this, the second page (i.e. the low-quality page) of comments on this story. It shows up 15 times. Then I went to the third page (i.e. the really low-quality page), opened all the hidden "[more]" subthreads, searched again, and found the string another 10 times. (Nothing showed up on the first page!) You have a lot to say. I read quite a few of these excretions, and found nothing but prejudice, misinformation, conspiracy theories, and unwarranted fear. You should better educate yourself about the situation in this nation and you should be a better person. The fact that you feel more empathy for abusive white cops than for their minority victims is a fact about you, not about the world.
- arkis22 6y agoshame on you for judging the quality of a post based on its page number on hacker news. it's like you couldn't be more shallow if you tried. if you call someone racist don't back down.
- lawnchair_larry 6y agoWow, those are some serious charges! Ok, I’ll bite. It’s racist, by the way, to point out the cops race. So that tells us a little about you. I challenge you to show me a single example of: 1) A conspiracy theory 2) Prejudice 3) Misinformation 4) Racism 5) Feeling more empathy for abusive cops (of any race) than their victims (of any race). All my info is either from primary sources, actual data, documentation, or first hand knowledge, not news or blogs, so no need to get cute with the snark. Try to have an adult discussion?
- arkis22 6y agoYou were in both portland and seattle? have you considered your correlation to madness? Is it a 100% correlation? I'm sorry, but are you saying protesters didn't have their phones on them? As opposed to literally every other protester who is filming every unfortunate human interaction at every protest?