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your own definition relies on a 1 to 1 communication between people. so you're wrong right? I don't personally thank Rotary International for all their hard wor

your own definition relies on a 1 to 1 communication between people. so you're wrong right? I don't personally thank Rotary International for all their hard work. "I personally cursed the cop for pepper spraying me" Just that one cop huh? They're literally saying all the cops targeted them.

shirakawasuna 6y ago
Previous commenter is correct. I'm just saying I had first hand experience being targeted.
- arkis22 6y ago
  Except really we've established you weren't personally targeted and were just a random person in a protesting mob...
  - pwinnski 6y ago
    How is that better? In what world is police officers dosing large groups of protestors acceptable? Give it enough years, and people will talk about the brave protestors of 2020. But like all "brave protests" of the past, today they should be supported, and are not.
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    - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
      In the perfectly reasonable world where the protest was escalated by rioters, anarchists, and arsonists (you know, like every protest in portland, since ever) and the police issue a dispersal order as a response to buildings on fire and violent attacks. Then they issue 5 more. Then they announce it on twitter. There is NO other way to deal with a riot. The police are vastly outnumbered and have very few tools to do their job. Well there is another way, but it’s far worse. Nothing about these “protests” after dark is brave. It’s shameful and cowardly. So is the response from politicians.
      - shirakawasuna 6y ago
        In SEA, that's not how it's worked. The police violence has come before the announcements. Before any serious property damage (not that property damage justifies collective punishment or chemical weapons). Have you been to the protests in PDX? Seen the cops hurting people for standing in a protest?
        lawnchair_larry 6y ago
        This is false for both Seattle and Portland. Like pretty much everything else you’re saying.
        shirakawasuna 6y ago
        Absolute nonsense. I was there, repeatedly. They shot first and either then made an announcement or never made one. Example: they announced a curfew via text a few minutes before it went into effect. Many didn't get this because they didn't have their phones with them. Tear gas and flashbangs had already been deployed with zero warnings from police. It is not helpful or okay to assert such falsehoods with confidence.
        jessaustin 6y ago
        Larry has been reading some very reputable stoke-the-racial-fear blogs!
        lawnchair_larry 6y ago
        That’s a pretty disgusting and shameful comment.
        jessaustin 6y ago
        No, it's not. I did a search for the string "lawnchair_larry" on this, the second page (i.e. the low-quality page) of comments on this story. It shows up 15 times. Then I went to the third page (i.e. the really low-quality page), opened all the hidden "[more]" subthreads, searched again, and found the string another 10 times. (Nothing showed up on the first page!) You have a lot to say. I read quite a few of these excretions, and found nothing but prejudice, misinformation, conspiracy theories, and unwarranted fear. You should better educate yourself about the situation in this nation and you should be a better person. The fact that you feel more empathy for abusive white cops than for their minority victims is a fact about you, not about the world.
  - shirakawasuna 6y ago
    1. In the sense that I used the term, I had the personal experience of being targeted. Attempting to browbeat me with your misapprehension is not going to work. 2. You're now editorializing my experience of which you have no knowledge, calling it a mob. Oh my. Please refrain from using your imagination regarding my experiences.
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    - arkis22 6y ago
      I don't think you really understand the meaning of the words "I had the personal experience of being targeted." Mostly because you seem to ignore the words you use. Especially the word "targeted." Also because you could eliminate the word "personally" and you'd be more correct. But really, you can't just be in the middle of a protesting mob and then they get tear gassed and then say "HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME AND ONLY ME?!" >2. You're now editorializing my experience of which you have no knowledge, calling it a mob. Oh my. Please refrain from using your imagination regarding my experiences. I think that's a lesson you could learn from regarding other people as well. It seems like a right you reserve just for you.
nfw2 6y ago
My definition doesn't imply communication between people or any interaction at all. It just means literally physically present for something. "After a long solo hike, the researcher was able to personally see the inside of a volcano." There is only one person in that story. No 1:1 communication. It just means the person was there for the thing. This is how personally was used in the comment.
- arkis22 6y ago
  your ability to use the word "personal" in a sentence doesn't take away from the way they used it. In fact it's a little weird. Personal in this sense clearly means 1:1. I doubt the commenter pepper sprayed themselves?
  - nfw2 6y ago
    "Personal in this sense clearly means 1:1." Why is that clear? The commenter said they meant the other definition. Wouldn't they know what they meant better than you do?
    - arkis22 6y ago
      they have mentioned being explicitly targeted multiple times
      - shirakawasuna 6y ago
        Nope.
        arkis22 6y ago
        You are so shockingly flexible.

shirakawasuna 6y ago

Previous commenter is correct. I'm just saying I had first hand experience being targeted.

arkis22 6y ago
Except really we've established you weren't personally targeted and were just a random person in a protesting mob...
- pwinnski 6y ago
  How is that better? In what world is police officers dosing large groups of protestors acceptable? Give it enough years, and people will talk about the brave protestors of 2020. But like all "brave protests" of the past, today they should be supported, and are not.
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  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    In the perfectly reasonable world where the protest was escalated by rioters, anarchists, and arsonists (you know, like every protest in portland, since ever) and the police issue a dispersal order as a response to buildings on fire and violent attacks. Then they issue 5 more. Then they announce it on twitter. There is NO other way to deal with a riot. The police are vastly outnumbered and have very few tools to do their job. Well there is another way, but it’s far worse. Nothing about these “protests” after dark is brave. It’s shameful and cowardly. So is the response from politicians.
    - shirakawasuna 6y ago
      In SEA, that's not how it's worked. The police violence has come before the announcements. Before any serious property damage (not that property damage justifies collective punishment or chemical weapons). Have you been to the protests in PDX? Seen the cops hurting people for standing in a protest?
      - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
        This is false for both Seattle and Portland. Like pretty much everything else you’re saying.
        shirakawasuna 6y ago
        Absolute nonsense. I was there, repeatedly. They shot first and either then made an announcement or never made one. Example: they announced a curfew via text a few minutes before it went into effect. Many didn't get this because they didn't have their phones with them. Tear gas and flashbangs had already been deployed with zero warnings from police. It is not helpful or okay to assert such falsehoods with confidence.
        jessaustin 6y ago
        Larry has been reading some very reputable stoke-the-racial-fear blogs!
        lawnchair_larry 6y ago
        That’s a pretty disgusting and shameful comment.
        jessaustin 6y ago
        No, it's not. I did a search for the string "lawnchair_larry" on this, the second page (i.e. the low-quality page) of comments on this story. It shows up 15 times. Then I went to the third page (i.e. the really low-quality page), opened all the hidden "[more]" subthreads, searched again, and found the string another 10 times. (Nothing showed up on the first page!) You have a lot to say. I read quite a few of these excretions, and found nothing but prejudice, misinformation, conspiracy theories, and unwarranted fear. You should better educate yourself about the situation in this nation and you should be a better person. The fact that you feel more empathy for abusive white cops than for their minority victims is a fact about you, not about the world.
- shirakawasuna 6y ago
  1. In the sense that I used the term, I had the personal experience of being targeted. Attempting to browbeat me with your misapprehension is not going to work. 2. You're now editorializing my experience of which you have no knowledge, calling it a mob. Oh my. Please refrain from using your imagination regarding my experiences.
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  - arkis22 6y ago
    I don't think you really understand the meaning of the words "I had the personal experience of being targeted." Mostly because you seem to ignore the words you use. Especially the word "targeted." Also because you could eliminate the word "personally" and you'd be more correct. But really, you can't just be in the middle of a protesting mob and then they get tear gassed and then say "HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME AND ONLY ME?!" >2. You're now editorializing my experience of which you have no knowledge, calling it a mob. Oh my. Please refrain from using your imagination regarding my experiences. I think that's a lesson you could learn from regarding other people as well. It seems like a right you reserve just for you.

nfw2 6y ago

My definition doesn't imply communication between people or any interaction at all. It just means literally physically present for something. "After a long solo hike, the researcher was able to personally see the inside of a volcano." There is only one person in that story. No 1:1 communication. It just means the person was there for the thing. This is how personally was used in the comment.

arkis22 6y ago
your ability to use the word "personal" in a sentence doesn't take away from the way they used it. In fact it's a little weird. Personal in this sense clearly means 1:1. I doubt the commenter pepper sprayed themselves?
- nfw2 6y ago
  "Personal in this sense clearly means 1:1." Why is that clear? The commenter said they meant the other definition. Wouldn't they know what they meant better than you do?
  - arkis22 6y ago
    they have mentioned being explicitly targeted multiple times
    - shirakawasuna 6y ago
      Nope.
      - arkis22 6y ago
        You are so shockingly flexible.