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I'm trying to search for professional riot organizers but all I can find is articles debunking the idea that this position exists [1] [2] [3]. Would you mind ci

I'm trying to search for professional riot organizers but all I can find is articles debunking the idea that this position exists [1] [2] [3]. Would you mind citing where you heard this? [1] https://www.vox.com/2020/6/3/21275720/george-floyd-protests-outside-agitators-ferguson-civil-rights-movement https://www.vox.com/2020/6/3/21275720/george-floyd-protests-... [2] https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/06/03/false-claims-of-antifa-protesters-plague-small-u-s-cities/ https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/06/03/false-claims-of-antifa-... [3] https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/paid-protester-myth https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/paid-pro...

aww_dang 6y ago
>“There are groups paying these looters money to come in and they’re getting paid by the broken window,” said Chief Mylett. https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/bellevue-police-chief-says-looters-are-part-organized-crime-ring/HEMXIDSLOZAH5FE7H7BBEDHQB4/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/bellevue-police-chief-says-... Buzzfeed, Vox and even Snopes are a bit partisan on this.
- shirakawasuna 6y ago
  So is KIRO and the Bellevue chief of police.
- GeneralMayhem 6y ago
  Yeah, I think Snopes is a much more credible source than the chief of police here.
  - aww_dang 6y ago
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/12/13/fact-checkers_choice_to_be_literal_or_contextual_138913.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/12/13/fact-c... https://ethicsalarms.com/2017/08/31/snopes-credibility-death-spiral-presenting-the-straw-man-fact-check/ https://ethicsalarms.com/2017/08/31/snopes-credibility-death... https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/23/robert-lee-espn/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/23/robert-lee-espn/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41022954 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41022954 https://www.google.com/search?&q=%22snopes%22+strawman+-site%3Asnopes.com https://www.google.com/search?&q=%22snopes%22+strawman+-site...
    - GeneralMayhem 6y ago
      Hoo boy, that's a hot pile of garbage. I'm obviously not going to convince you, but I'll get my hands dirty for the sake of bystanders. >https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/12/13/fact-checkers_choice_to_be_literal_or_contextual_138913.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/12/13/fact-c... Yes, fact-checking is hard. You can say things that are literally true but clearly imply false conclusions, or vice versa. And Snopes isn't perfect. I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to be getting here. >ethicsalarms.com This is a batshit right-wing conspiracy theory site. Anyone who cites it as an argument should immediately lose all semblance of credibility. Here are some direct quotes from that site that I found within the first 60 seconds of clicking around: >>>CNN is obviously approaching the election as a partisan mission, and has signaled that fair coverage is not in the cards. The goal is to put Democrats in control of the government. >>>Pelosi’s Democrats have orchestrated one attempted coup after another >>>There have been 19 Plans to abuse various processes, laws and theories, all put forward and promoted by members of the Democratic Party/”resistance”/mainstream news media alliance since President Trump’s election in November of 2016... The desired effect of this barrage, apart from serving the goal of removing an elected President without the bother (and risk) of an election, has been to make it impossible for the President to govern, and to destroy his support among the public. Yep. Fair and balanced, and definitely not unhinged. Moving on: >Snopes and BBC articles about a commentator named Robert Lee As Snopes says: >There is no dispute that Robert Lee was moved off covering a University of Virginia football game for ESPN because of the coincidence of his name. However, ESPN’s intent appeared to have been a desire to avoid prompting public ridicule rather than public offense — a move that ended up subjecting the network (for different reasons) to the very mocking they had hoped to head off. What else am I supposed to be seeing here? A megacorp attempted to sidestep a potentially awkward situation, and ran into the Striesand effect. Both Snopes and the BBC pointed out that it was maybe misguided, and we all had a chuckle at their expense. Do you think that Disney, of all companies, is a leftist organization, and that Snopes is covering for them? >Google search for "snopes strawman" The top results for me are, in order: 1. A bunch of Reddit results referring people to Snopes as a source because the thing they're arguing against is a made-up strawman. 2. Snopes's own Facebook page 3. A blog nitpicking semantics over... Amelia Earhart's bones? https://tighar.org/wordpress/earhart-project/fact-checking-snopes/ https://tighar.org/wordpress/earhart-project/fact-checking-s... 4. ethicsalarms.com, discussed above. 5. "A Guide to Arguing with a Snopes Denier", from the Houston Press
  - dependenttypes 6y ago
    Snopes is one of the least credible sources that you can find. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21008852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21008852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21516762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21516762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21516623 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21516623 (also, note that "professionally organize riots" might as well mean that they are good at organizing them, or that they helped organize multiple riots)
    - evilos 6y ago
      That's a pretty weak set of evidence you have there for a claim as big as 'Snopes is ONE OF THE LEAST credible sources that you can find', emphasis mine.
      - dependenttypes 6y ago
        I am not aware of any other site that is both excluded by the internet archive and has been found in the past to engage in dishonest attempts of covering up its mistakes. I would argue that both of them combined is quite a strong of an evidence for my claim.
FriendlyNormie 6y ago
Cite your full name and home address, faggot.
zaroth 6y ago
By "professional organization of riots" I am referring to well organized networks to collect donations, move funds to local chapters, procure supplies (like food, water, body armor, fireworks), deploy forces on the ground against chosen targets, and even to manage the social media marketing surrounding these events.
- PascLeRasc 6y ago
  If protestors aren't organized it's "chaos in the streets". If protestors are organized they're paid professionals. What would be a good middle ground to get your approval?

aww_dang 6y ago

>“There are groups paying these looters money to come in and they’re getting paid by the broken window,” said Chief Mylett. https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/bellevue-police-chief-says-looters-are-part-organized-crime-ring/HEMXIDSLOZAH5FE7H7BBEDHQB4/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/bellevue-police-chief-says-... Buzzfeed, Vox and even Snopes are a bit partisan on this.

shirakawasuna 6y ago
So is KIRO and the Bellevue chief of police.
GeneralMayhem 6y ago
Yeah, I think Snopes is a much more credible source than the chief of police here.
- aww_dang 6y ago
  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/12/13/fact-checkers_choice_to_be_literal_or_contextual_138913.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/12/13/fact-c... https://ethicsalarms.com/2017/08/31/snopes-credibility-death-spiral-presenting-the-straw-man-fact-check/ https://ethicsalarms.com/2017/08/31/snopes-credibility-death... https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/23/robert-lee-espn/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/23/robert-lee-espn/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41022954 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41022954 https://www.google.com/search?&q=%22snopes%22+strawman+-site%3Asnopes.com https://www.google.com/search?&q=%22snopes%22+strawman+-site...
  - GeneralMayhem 6y ago
    Hoo boy, that's a hot pile of garbage. I'm obviously not going to convince you, but I'll get my hands dirty for the sake of bystanders. >https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/12/13/fact-checkers_choice_to_be_literal_or_contextual_138913.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/12/13/fact-c... Yes, fact-checking is hard. You can say things that are literally true but clearly imply false conclusions, or vice versa. And Snopes isn't perfect. I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to be getting here. >ethicsalarms.com This is a batshit right-wing conspiracy theory site. Anyone who cites it as an argument should immediately lose all semblance of credibility. Here are some direct quotes from that site that I found within the first 60 seconds of clicking around: >>>CNN is obviously approaching the election as a partisan mission, and has signaled that fair coverage is not in the cards. The goal is to put Democrats in control of the government. >>>Pelosi’s Democrats have orchestrated one attempted coup after another >>>There have been 19 Plans to abuse various processes, laws and theories, all put forward and promoted by members of the Democratic Party/”resistance”/mainstream news media alliance since President Trump’s election in November of 2016... The desired effect of this barrage, apart from serving the goal of removing an elected President without the bother (and risk) of an election, has been to make it impossible for the President to govern, and to destroy his support among the public. Yep. Fair and balanced, and definitely not unhinged. Moving on: >Snopes and BBC articles about a commentator named Robert Lee As Snopes says: >There is no dispute that Robert Lee was moved off covering a University of Virginia football game for ESPN because of the coincidence of his name. However, ESPN’s intent appeared to have been a desire to avoid prompting public ridicule rather than public offense — a move that ended up subjecting the network (for different reasons) to the very mocking they had hoped to head off. What else am I supposed to be seeing here? A megacorp attempted to sidestep a potentially awkward situation, and ran into the Striesand effect. Both Snopes and the BBC pointed out that it was maybe misguided, and we all had a chuckle at their expense. Do you think that Disney, of all companies, is a leftist organization, and that Snopes is covering for them? >Google search for "snopes strawman" The top results for me are, in order: 1. A bunch of Reddit results referring people to Snopes as a source because the thing they're arguing against is a made-up strawman. 2. Snopes's own Facebook page 3. A blog nitpicking semantics over... Amelia Earhart's bones? https://tighar.org/wordpress/earhart-project/fact-checking-snopes/ https://tighar.org/wordpress/earhart-project/fact-checking-s... 4. ethicsalarms.com, discussed above. 5. "A Guide to Arguing with a Snopes Denier", from the Houston Press
- dependenttypes 6y ago
  Snopes is one of the least credible sources that you can find. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21008852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21008852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21516762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21516762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21516623 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21516623 (also, note that "professionally organize riots" might as well mean that they are good at organizing them, or that they helped organize multiple riots)
  - evilos 6y ago
    That's a pretty weak set of evidence you have there for a claim as big as 'Snopes is ONE OF THE LEAST credible sources that you can find', emphasis mine.
    - dependenttypes 6y ago
      I am not aware of any other site that is both excluded by the internet archive and has been found in the past to engage in dishonest attempts of covering up its mistakes. I would argue that both of them combined is quite a strong of an evidence for my claim.

FriendlyNormie 6y ago

Cite your full name and home address, faggot.

zaroth 6y ago

By "professional organization of riots" I am referring to well organized networks to collect donations, move funds to local chapters, procure supplies (like food, water, body armor, fireworks), deploy forces on the ground against chosen targets, and even to manage the social media marketing surrounding these events.

PascLeRasc 6y ago
If protestors aren't organized it's "chaos in the streets". If protestors are organized they're paid professionals. What would be a good middle ground to get your approval?