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They brag repeatedly about their “data collection” methods although of course details are hard to find. I’m not convinced they just make the tool and have no ac

They brag repeatedly about their “data collection” methods although of course details are hard to find. I’m not convinced they just make the tool and have no access to the data.

no-dr-onboard 6y ago
What do you have to convince you otherwise?
- mrgordon 6y ago
  They’re a famously shadowy secretive spying company and nowhere do I see a terms of service that says they don’t collect data on me. They’ve previously discussed their tools for spying on Facebook and other “public” sites and it seems clear they must have run them at some point. They come in and modify their software to work especially for a customers needs. Are you familiar with Project Maven? They gather drone data and have humans label it so they can plan drone strikes and other intelligence efforts.
  - Manfredo_1 6y ago
    Palantir builds tools for other government agencies to analyze their own data. Palantir the company doesn't see the data that Palantir the tool (Gotham or Foundry) is used to analyze.
    - bergstromm466 6y ago
      Why do you still believe the bullshit corporate PR? Snowden, Manning, Assange... Crypto AG, Cambridge Analytica, etc. How many times does it need to happen for us to see it? The only real solution I've found is to help build the fully agent-centric web, where there are no third parties - full P2P Protocol Cooperativism. [1] [2] [1] https://medium.com/holochain/holochain-reinventing-applications-d2ac1e4f25ef https://medium.com/holochain/holochain-reinventing-applicati... [2] http://developer.holochain.org http://developer.holochain.org
      - Manfredo_1 6y ago
        Because I worked at Palantir. Can you point to sources specifically claiming that Palantir itself, not the organizations using Palantir, are accessing people's data? Because if so, this is news both to me and to a lot of other former and current Palantir employees. Palantir the company doesn't have access to the data. The government agencies have access to the data. Palantir licenses its software to these organizations. The company doesn't have special access to any sensitive data.
        bergstromm466 6y ago
        > Because I worked at Palantir Well that's a good reason. The point I'm making is that I don't agree on Palantir's approach and strategy. If you watch the Ava Duvernay's documentary '13th' you'll see that systemic oppression of black bodies never ended. The school-to-prison pipeline guarantees exploitation and incarceration of the US's dark history of slavery and genocide. So instead of Palantir pushing for systemic change, I see their technology as regressive and focused on giving power to unjust causes. If you want to read more about how algorithms recreate bias, there's quite a lot of material that has come out recently. Here is an important point from Algorithsm of Oppression: ※ Those who have the power to design systems--classification or technical [like library, museum, & information professionals]--hold the ability to prioritize hierarchical schemes that privilege certain types of information over others.[1] There's also another book called Automating Inequality, among others. [1] https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2206336831?book_show_action=true https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2206336831?book_show_a...
  - bergstromm466 6y ago
    > Are you familiar with Project Maven? There seems to me to be a strong neoliberal/libertarian population on Hacker News who believes, as Margaret Thatcher famously said, that 'there is no alternative'. They have completely soaked up Silicon Valley's Imperialist 'Manifest Destiny' mission. They can't see their own privileged position and power. They attribute their own success to their personal efforts, instead of seeing how various social institutions (including knowledge and access to a rich scientific inheritance) built them up. So when we pose them a question about Project Maven, they want to identify the one 'bad apple' [1] instead of facing the fact that systemically something is rotten, and that we might have to evolve the underlying architectures. [2] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMNZXV7jOG0&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMNZXV7jOG0&feature=youtu.be [2] https://medium.com/holochain/holochain-reinventing-applications-d2ac1e4f25ef https://medium.com/holochain/holochain-reinventing-applicati...

They brag repeatedly about their “data collection” methods although of course details are hard to find. I’m not convinced they just make the tool and have no access to the data.

no-dr-onboard 6y ago

What do you have to convince you otherwise?

mrgordon 6y ago
They’re a famously shadowy secretive spying company and nowhere do I see a terms of service that says they don’t collect data on me. They’ve previously discussed their tools for spying on Facebook and other “public” sites and it seems clear they must have run them at some point. They come in and modify their software to work especially for a customers needs. Are you familiar with Project Maven? They gather drone data and have humans label it so they can plan drone strikes and other intelligence efforts.
- Manfredo_1 6y ago
  Palantir builds tools for other government agencies to analyze their own data. Palantir the company doesn't see the data that Palantir the tool (Gotham or Foundry) is used to analyze.
  - bergstromm466 6y ago
    Why do you still believe the bullshit corporate PR? Snowden, Manning, Assange... Crypto AG, Cambridge Analytica, etc. How many times does it need to happen for us to see it? The only real solution I've found is to help build the fully agent-centric web, where there are no third parties - full P2P Protocol Cooperativism. [1] [2] [1] https://medium.com/holochain/holochain-reinventing-applications-d2ac1e4f25ef https://medium.com/holochain/holochain-reinventing-applicati... [2] http://developer.holochain.org http://developer.holochain.org
    - Manfredo_1 6y ago
      Because I worked at Palantir. Can you point to sources specifically claiming that Palantir itself, not the organizations using Palantir, are accessing people's data? Because if so, this is news both to me and to a lot of other former and current Palantir employees. Palantir the company doesn't have access to the data. The government agencies have access to the data. Palantir licenses its software to these organizations. The company doesn't have special access to any sensitive data.
      - bergstromm466 6y ago
        > Because I worked at Palantir Well that's a good reason. The point I'm making is that I don't agree on Palantir's approach and strategy. If you watch the Ava Duvernay's documentary '13th' you'll see that systemic oppression of black bodies never ended. The school-to-prison pipeline guarantees exploitation and incarceration of the US's dark history of slavery and genocide. So instead of Palantir pushing for systemic change, I see their technology as regressive and focused on giving power to unjust causes. If you want to read more about how algorithms recreate bias, there's quite a lot of material that has come out recently. Here is an important point from Algorithsm of Oppression: ※ Those who have the power to design systems--classification or technical [like library, museum, & information professionals]--hold the ability to prioritize hierarchical schemes that privilege certain types of information over others.[1] There's also another book called Automating Inequality, among others. [1] https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2206336831?book_show_action=true https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2206336831?book_show_a...
- bergstromm466 6y ago
  > Are you familiar with Project Maven? There seems to me to be a strong neoliberal/libertarian population on Hacker News who believes, as Margaret Thatcher famously said, that 'there is no alternative'. They have completely soaked up Silicon Valley's Imperialist 'Manifest Destiny' mission. They can't see their own privileged position and power. They attribute their own success to their personal efforts, instead of seeing how various social institutions (including knowledge and access to a rich scientific inheritance) built them up. So when we pose them a question about Project Maven, they want to identify the one 'bad apple' [1] instead of facing the fact that systemically something is rotten, and that we might have to evolve the underlying architectures. [2] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMNZXV7jOG0&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMNZXV7jOG0&feature=youtu.be [2] https://medium.com/holochain/holochain-reinventing-applications-d2ac1e4f25ef https://medium.com/holochain/holochain-reinventing-applicati...