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not sure if that's what their saying. my interpretation is they're not going to sell that data or the result of their analysis for advertising purposes. they'l

not sure if that's what their saying. my interpretation is they're not going to sell that data or the result of their analysis for advertising purposes. they'll collect or mine whatever they can get their hands, i'm certain of that. it's a data company.

joshspankit 6y ago
I find their argument somewhat disingenuous, as they are paid for that mining directly by governments (they famously created the MVP with the express intent of selling it to the US), and therefore have never needed to consider advertising.
GuB-42 6y ago
No they won't, unless they are flat out lying. They can lie, but considering they have many customers all over the world, mostly big companies with big legal departments, it may not be the best for their business. Palantir produces data analysis tools, this is basically Excel but for bigger data sets. Microsoft doesn't get what you put into your Excel sheets (not really sure now...) and neither does Palantir with their platform. They probably have some sort of telemetry to monitor how their tools are used, to "improve user experience", like most large software vendors. But it is not related to the data being processed.
- mrgordon 6y ago
  They brag repeatedly about their “data collection” methods although of course details are hard to find. I’m not convinced they just make the tool and have no access to the data.
  - no-dr-onboard 6y ago
    What do you have to convince you otherwise?
    - mrgordon 6y ago
      They’re a famously shadowy secretive spying company and nowhere do I see a terms of service that says they don’t collect data on me. They’ve previously discussed their tools for spying on Facebook and other “public” sites and it seems clear they must have run them at some point. They come in and modify their software to work especially for a customers needs. Are you familiar with Project Maven? They gather drone data and have humans label it so they can plan drone strikes and other intelligence efforts.
      - Manfredo_1 6y ago
        Palantir builds tools for other government agencies to analyze their own data. Palantir the company doesn't see the data that Palantir the tool (Gotham or Foundry) is used to analyze.
        bergstromm466 6y ago
        Why do you still believe the bullshit corporate PR? Snowden, Manning, Assange... Crypto AG, Cambridge Analytica, etc. How many times does it need to happen for us to see it? The only real solution I've found is to help build the fully agent-centric web, where there are no third parties - full P2P Protocol Cooperativism. [1] [2] [1] https://medium.com/holochain/holochain-reinventing-applications-d2ac1e4f25ef https://medium.com/holochain/holochain-reinventing-applicati... [2] http://developer.holochain.org http://developer.holochain.org
        Manfredo_1 6y ago
        Because I worked at Palantir. Can you point to sources specifically claiming that Palantir itself, not the organizations using Palantir, are accessing people's data? Because if so, this is news both to me and to a lot of other former and current Palantir employees. Palantir the company doesn't have access to the data. The government agencies have access to the data. Palantir licenses its software to these organizations. The company doesn't have special access to any sensitive data.
- tdiggity 6y ago
  This is right. Palantir is a suite of tools or platform that a company uses to analyze their own data.
  - mrgordon 6y ago
    Palantir develops many of the tools which implies they’ve run them themselves also. For example, they have tools for scraping social media platforms to build profiles of people. You don’t build those tools without running them along the way. They just make their clients run them most of the time for liability reasons (it’s a lot harder to prosecute the CIA for spying)

joshspankit 6y ago

I find their argument somewhat disingenuous, as they are paid for that mining directly by governments (they famously created the MVP with the express intent of selling it to the US), and therefore have never needed to consider advertising.

GuB-42 6y ago

No they won't, unless they are flat out lying. They can lie, but considering they have many customers all over the world, mostly big companies with big legal departments, it may not be the best for their business. Palantir produces data analysis tools, this is basically Excel but for bigger data sets. Microsoft doesn't get what you put into your Excel sheets (not really sure now...) and neither does Palantir with their platform. They probably have some sort of telemetry to monitor how their tools are used, to "improve user experience", like most large software vendors. But it is not related to the data being processed.

mrgordon 6y ago
They brag repeatedly about their “data collection” methods although of course details are hard to find. I’m not convinced they just make the tool and have no access to the data.
- no-dr-onboard 6y ago
  What do you have to convince you otherwise?
  - mrgordon 6y ago
    They’re a famously shadowy secretive spying company and nowhere do I see a terms of service that says they don’t collect data on me. They’ve previously discussed their tools for spying on Facebook and other “public” sites and it seems clear they must have run them at some point. They come in and modify their software to work especially for a customers needs. Are you familiar with Project Maven? They gather drone data and have humans label it so they can plan drone strikes and other intelligence efforts.
    - Manfredo_1 6y ago
      Palantir builds tools for other government agencies to analyze their own data. Palantir the company doesn't see the data that Palantir the tool (Gotham or Foundry) is used to analyze.
      - bergstromm466 6y ago
        Why do you still believe the bullshit corporate PR? Snowden, Manning, Assange... Crypto AG, Cambridge Analytica, etc. How many times does it need to happen for us to see it? The only real solution I've found is to help build the fully agent-centric web, where there are no third parties - full P2P Protocol Cooperativism. [1] [2] [1] https://medium.com/holochain/holochain-reinventing-applications-d2ac1e4f25ef https://medium.com/holochain/holochain-reinventing-applicati... [2] http://developer.holochain.org http://developer.holochain.org
        Manfredo_1 6y ago
        Because I worked at Palantir. Can you point to sources specifically claiming that Palantir itself, not the organizations using Palantir, are accessing people's data? Because if so, this is news both to me and to a lot of other former and current Palantir employees. Palantir the company doesn't have access to the data. The government agencies have access to the data. Palantir licenses its software to these organizations. The company doesn't have special access to any sensitive data.
tdiggity 6y ago
This is right. Palantir is a suite of tools or platform that a company uses to analyze their own data.
- mrgordon 6y ago
  Palantir develops many of the tools which implies they’ve run them themselves also. For example, they have tools for scraping social media platforms to build profiles of people. You don’t build those tools without running them along the way. They just make their clients run them most of the time for liability reasons (it’s a lot harder to prosecute the CIA for spying)