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This shouldn't be a suprise. Some people like to pretend that higher crime rates in some areas is strictly due to higher police presence, but it's clearly not t
by dx87 6y ago
This shouldn't be a suprise. Some people like to pretend that higher crime rates in some areas is strictly due to higher police presence, but it's clearly not the case. I remember after the protests in Baltimore from FreddIe Gray, the police were told to have a much smaller presence, and not do as much proactive policing. It wasn't long before the people who actually live in those neighborhoods were complaining about the increasing crime rate due to a smaller police presence.
- TMWNN 6y ago>I remember after the protests in Baltimore from FreddIe Gray, the police were told to have a much smaller presence, and not do as much proactive policing. It wasn't long before the people who actually live in those neighborhoods were complaining about the increasing crime rate due to a smaller police presence. In a city with a black mayor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_Rawlings-Blake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_Rawlings-Blake), black police chief (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Batts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Batts), 50% black police force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Police_Department#African_Americans_in_the_department https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Police_Department#Af...), and black district attorney (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Mosby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Mosby), when black suspect Freddie Gray dies in police custody in unclear circumstances, it's obviously because of racism so feel free to riot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Baltimore_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Baltimore_protests). (The accused officers—three black, three white—were acquitted by a black judge (http://www.courts.state.md.us/publications/jmonline/2012spring/inbrief.html http://www.courts.state.md.us/publications/jmonline/2012spri... .) Reminder of Baltimore events during the original rioting: * Baltimore Looters Take Everything But a Family’s Pennies / Chinese store-owners and a soldier who fought in Afghanistan both return to find their hometown transformed into a war zone. (https://np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/34cu4j/baltimore_looters_take_everything_but_a_familys/ https://np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/34cu4j/baltimore_loote...) * (Deleted by /r/baltimore moderators on Reddit) Baltimore gang members directed looters away from black-owned businesses. "Instead, he said, they pointed the rioters toward Chinese- and Arab-owned stores." (https://np.reddit.com/r/baltimore/comments/34ek59/baltimore_gang_members_directed_looters_away_from/ https://np.reddit.com/r/baltimore/comments/34ek59/baltimore_...) * City Paper calls the purse incident "a dumb distraction". Closest thing to an apology/retraction as is likely from the publication (https://np.reddit.com/r/baltimore/comments/347f0d/city_paper_calls_the_purse_incident_a_dumb/ https://np.reddit.com/r/baltimore/comments/347f0d/city_paper...) and, inevitably, what you mentioned: * Baltimore killings soar to a level unseen in 43 years. "Baltimore reached a grim milestone on Friday, three months after riots erupted in response to the death of Freddie Gray in police custody: With 45 homicides in July, the city has seen more bloodshed in a single month than it has in 43 years." (https://np.reddit.com/r/baltimore/comments/3fcawm/baltimore_killings_soar_to_a_level_unseen_in_43/ https://np.reddit.com/r/baltimore/comments/3fcawm/baltimore_...) PS - I was banned from /r/baltimore after posting the above comment (https://np.reddit.com/r/baltimore/comments/4koc6n/officer_nero_found_not_guilty_by_judge_barry/d3gi2ih?context=3 https://np.reddit.com/r/baltimore/comments/4koc6n/officer_ne...) in a similar thread discussing earlier acquittals. No reason given.
- dang 6y ago> it's obviously because of racism so feel free to riot Posting flamebait on inflammatory topics will get you banned on HN too, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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- aaomidi 6y agoWell you can't just remove police and think everything is going to be okay. The police abolitionist movement is calling for removing untrained, armed, and oftentimes extremely racist individuals from the streets and replacing them with social programs, housing, education, healthcare. You can't just do 10% of the ask here and then be surprised when shit doesn't magically get better.
- jojobas 6y ago>racist individuals So you have to rotate your entire police force every few years.
- defen 6y agoWould it be accurate, then, to say that the "police abolitionist movement" does not want to abolish the police? If that is the case, why call it the police abolitionist movement? It seems like all that does is generate ill-will from people who are potential allies.
- tootie 6y agoIf your focusing on policing, you're missing the point. The point is to direct funding away from enforcement and towards prevention.
- dehrmann 6y agoSlogans are no place for subtleties and pragmatism. Slogans build a crowd, but they dumb-down the conversation.
- shirakawasuna 6y agoNone of that was a slogan.
- rumanator 6y agoSpeakingof dumbing down, why didn't you addressed any of the points made in the post you're replying to,and instead chose to go on a non-sequitur?
- colechristensen 6y agoThe thing is they need more support for enforcement. The complaints you get from police are that a big chunk of the job is just racing from one call to the next, and flat out ignoring calls that don’t seem important enough because they’re forced to triage.
- stock_toaster 6y agoand yet we see budgets spent on tanks and assault rifles instead of personnel and training?
- colechristensen 6y agoThe military equipment is generally dumped on departments for low or no cost because the actual military didn’t need it any more.