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USPS has to deliver mail to every address in the country, whereas UPS and FedEx do not. Comparing a public service that handles the long tail and edge cases to

by drewrv 6y ago

USPS has to deliver mail to every address in the country, whereas UPS and FedEx do not. Comparing a public service that handles the long tail and edge cases to private companies that can axe unprofitable routes (or outsource them to USPS) isn't a fair comparison.

Alupis 6y ago
> USPS has to deliver mail to every address in the country, whereas UPS and FedEx do not Besides the fact that this isn't true (you'd be astonished at the number of homes that USPS won't deliver to, generally rural areas[1]), it doesn't preclude USPS from being profitable if managed properly. Let's not pretend if USPS could ditch some routes it would suddenly be profitable and not need billions of tax payer capitol injection all the time. They're a long ways from that. Saddled with thousands of unproductive employees, ones that will never be fired, yet collect a paycheck paid for by tax payers, and will enjoy a comfortable retirement with all that pension money. USPS might be a quasi-private company, but they sure don't behave like a private company. [1] I'm in the industry. For these shipments we have to send them FedEx or UPS, whichever is cheapest usually, since both will deliver when USPS will not.
kansface 6y ago
I wonder how much of that subsidy practically goes to spam.
- Alupis 6y ago
  I actually tried to stop the spam mail to my house. I took a mailbox full, just 2 days of mail, 99% spam, and took it into my local post office. Plopped the mail on the counter and told the clerk I no longer wanted to receive mail from any of these advertisers. Of course the clerk couldn't help me. USPS makes too much money delivering junk right to your mailbox. What a great system we're engineered here, where our national carrier service primarily slups junk mail around the country, and won't stop because it's one of their most profitable side-hustles.
  - Scoundreller 6y ago
    Seems like they could have been more helpful: https://faq.usps.com/s/article/Refuse-unwanted-mail-and-remove-name-from-mailing-lists https://faq.usps.com/s/article/Refuse-unwanted-mail-and-remo...
  - notJim 6y ago
    Why would you assume that a random clerk has the ability to opt you out of junk mail? If you want them to do that, you're going to have to lobby your representatives to ban them from doing so, and offer another source of revenue that makes the USPS sustainable. I agree that this would be a good thing, but you already see how politically difficult it is to keep the USPS running at all. Providing it more funding so it can stop relying on bulk mail seems basically impossible.
- missedthecue 6y ago
  52% of USPS volume is junk mail, while it only contributes to ~30% of revenue. So quite a lot.

by drewrv 6y ago

Alupis 6y ago

> USPS has to deliver mail to every address in the country, whereas UPS and FedEx do not Besides the fact that this isn't true (you'd be astonished at the number of homes that USPS won't deliver to, generally rural areas[1]), it doesn't preclude USPS from being profitable if managed properly. Let's not pretend if USPS could ditch some routes it would suddenly be profitable and not need billions of tax payer capitol injection all the time. They're a long ways from that. Saddled with thousands of unproductive employees, ones that will never be fired, yet collect a paycheck paid for by tax payers, and will enjoy a comfortable retirement with all that pension money. USPS might be a quasi-private company, but they sure don't behave like a private company. [1] I'm in the industry. For these shipments we have to send them FedEx or UPS, whichever is cheapest usually, since both will deliver when USPS will not.

kansface 6y ago

I wonder how much of that subsidy practically goes to spam.

Alupis 6y ago
I actually tried to stop the spam mail to my house. I took a mailbox full, just 2 days of mail, 99% spam, and took it into my local post office. Plopped the mail on the counter and told the clerk I no longer wanted to receive mail from any of these advertisers. Of course the clerk couldn't help me. USPS makes too much money delivering junk right to your mailbox. What a great system we're engineered here, where our national carrier service primarily slups junk mail around the country, and won't stop because it's one of their most profitable side-hustles.
- Scoundreller 6y ago
  Seems like they could have been more helpful: https://faq.usps.com/s/article/Refuse-unwanted-mail-and-remove-name-from-mailing-lists https://faq.usps.com/s/article/Refuse-unwanted-mail-and-remo...
- notJim 6y ago
  Why would you assume that a random clerk has the ability to opt you out of junk mail? If you want them to do that, you're going to have to lobby your representatives to ban them from doing so, and offer another source of revenue that makes the USPS sustainable. I agree that this would be a good thing, but you already see how politically difficult it is to keep the USPS running at all. Providing it more funding so it can stop relying on bulk mail seems basically impossible.
missedthecue 6y ago
52% of USPS volume is junk mail, while it only contributes to ~30% of revenue. So quite a lot.