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Would 20G be more attainable? Or, what about +/- 10G? That's not possible with a pilot onboard but should be achievable in an unmanned aircraft. If I were desi

Would 20G be more attainable? Or, what about +/- 10G? That's not possible with a pilot onboard but should be achievable in an unmanned aircraft. If I were designing such an aircraft I would make sure that the onboard missiles could be rapidly swiveled. Someone on your tail? Easy, just swivel a missile around 180 degrees and then fire. No need to maneuver the entire aircraft.

nradov 6y ago
10G is attainable at lower altitudes for a few seconds at a time, but it would require a heavier airframe which means less weight budget for fuel and weapons. And you still won't be able to outmaneuver a missile so what's the point? Not a good design trade off. 20G is still in the realm of science fiction for turbine engines. A swiveling missile launcher is far from easy. Please calculate how much such a contraption would weigh. Remember that it needs to securely hold multiple large, heavy missiles without structural deformation during your hypothetical 10G maneuvers. And what sensors will you use to detect someone on your tail and target your own missile before he does? Where will those sensors be placed, how much will they weight, and how much drag will they add?
- aurizon 6y ago
  The maximum delta-V budget (https://www.google.com/search?q=maximum+delta-V&oq=maximum+delta-V&aqs=chrome..69i57.10598j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=maximum+delta-V&oq=maximum+d...) means few sustained 30G sprints driven by fuel, so any such high-g maneuvers will be emergency evasion. Few air frames can tolerate 30-G. so designs will emerge? I can see no humans in these high g machines, just reporting ground links, with local AI running the attack/defence strategy from the ground.
  - nradov 6y ago
    You're completely missing the point. Please calculate how heavy an airframe would need to be in order to handle a few seconds of 30G without cracking. After accounting for airframe weight how much useful capacity so you have left for fuel, sensors, and weapons? How many pounds of thrust do you need for a 30G maneuver? The concepts you propose only work in cartoons, not in the real world bound by laws of physics.

nradov 6y ago

10G is attainable at lower altitudes for a few seconds at a time, but it would require a heavier airframe which means less weight budget for fuel and weapons. And you still won't be able to outmaneuver a missile so what's the point? Not a good design trade off. 20G is still in the realm of science fiction for turbine engines. A swiveling missile launcher is far from easy. Please calculate how much such a contraption would weigh. Remember that it needs to securely hold multiple large, heavy missiles without structural deformation during your hypothetical 10G maneuvers. And what sensors will you use to detect someone on your tail and target your own missile before he does? Where will those sensors be placed, how much will they weight, and how much drag will they add?

aurizon 6y ago
The maximum delta-V budget (https://www.google.com/search?q=maximum+delta-V&oq=maximum+delta-V&aqs=chrome..69i57.10598j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=maximum+delta-V&oq=maximum+d...) means few sustained 30G sprints driven by fuel, so any such high-g maneuvers will be emergency evasion. Few air frames can tolerate 30-G. so designs will emerge? I can see no humans in these high g machines, just reporting ground links, with local AI running the attack/defence strategy from the ground.
- nradov 6y ago
  You're completely missing the point. Please calculate how heavy an airframe would need to be in order to handle a few seconds of 30G without cracking. After accounting for airframe weight how much useful capacity so you have left for fuel, sensors, and weapons? How many pounds of thrust do you need for a 30G maneuver? The concepts you propose only work in cartoons, not in the real world bound by laws of physics.