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There's a spectrum of course, but at high levels of consciousness selfish gains are not priority goals. The goals tend to be selfless, loving and holistic. If

There's a spectrum of course, but at high levels of consciousness selfish gains are not priority goals. The goals tend to be selfless, loving and holistic. If the level of consciousness in the general population is high enough, trolling will be a behavior of the past, like human sacrifice. Your interpretation is a spiral dynamics stage orange criticism of green and turquoise. The spiral dynamics model of psycho/social development is really good for analyzing and explaining these types of problems, like being able to predict human behavior and understand why certain humans behave the ways that they do.

nradov 6y ago
How do you determine where a particular person is positioned on the spectrum? What is the process for measuring whether one person has a higher or lower level of consciousness than another?
- mikelyons 6y ago
  The easiest tell is the size of the perpective/identity, stage red/orange very single-human self-concerned where as higher stages, green yellow, turquoise have concern for the environment, animals, all humanity. If you check out a brief overview of spiral dynamics you can see the scale of levels of consciousness. I'm not saying it's the only model but it is quite useful and it is a scientific model developed by Clare Graves.
dragontamer 6y ago
Who ever said anything about selfishness? The worst trolls are the ones with ideology, who believe themselves to be working on behalf of a greater power. To take a relatively innocent example: Tesla Trolls will harass, dox, and even SWAT "Tesla Shorts", in defense of their beloved company. So lets circle back again: Why are these Tesla trolls trolling the internet? Because they're fighting to support their company, and it seems to be an effective tactic for intimidating and silencing critics. Same things happen with Apple Fanboys, XBox fanboys, etc. etc. Trolls "fight" on behalf of the powers they've given their allegiance to. And of course, Democrats and Republicans are big ones too... but also subgroups: Antifa, Black Lives Matter, Proud Boys, etc. etc. They all have trolls, they all will harass and demean you if you disagree with them online. Any "serious" internet discussion will devolve into troll tactics these days. Why? Because its effective. Apple vs Epic Games is just the latest bit, and we're certainly going to see internet trolls start to weaponize forums to bring people to their side.
- mikelyons 6y ago
  > _further their own gains_ That was what made me think you were refering to selfishness. High consciousness by definition resists ideology. Ideology is a limitation of consciousness. Trolls that are harassing, doxing, and SWATing, are doing it for selfish reasons, even if their excuse is something external. Intimidating and silencing critics, classic stage red, sound like any presidents you know? I don't disagree that trolling is effective, the majority of the population is somewhere in stage red/blue/orange, very few of us are green or above. I understand what you're explaining, I think having an overview of the model will help you understand what I am pointing to.

nradov 6y ago

How do you determine where a particular person is positioned on the spectrum? What is the process for measuring whether one person has a higher or lower level of consciousness than another?

mikelyons 6y ago
The easiest tell is the size of the perpective/identity, stage red/orange very single-human self-concerned where as higher stages, green yellow, turquoise have concern for the environment, animals, all humanity. If you check out a brief overview of spiral dynamics you can see the scale of levels of consciousness. I'm not saying it's the only model but it is quite useful and it is a scientific model developed by Clare Graves.

dragontamer 6y ago

Who ever said anything about selfishness? The worst trolls are the ones with ideology, who believe themselves to be working on behalf of a greater power. To take a relatively innocent example: Tesla Trolls will harass, dox, and even SWAT "Tesla Shorts", in defense of their beloved company. So lets circle back again: Why are these Tesla trolls trolling the internet? Because they're fighting to support their company, and it seems to be an effective tactic for intimidating and silencing critics. Same things happen with Apple Fanboys, XBox fanboys, etc. etc. Trolls "fight" on behalf of the powers they've given their allegiance to. And of course, Democrats and Republicans are big ones too... but also subgroups: Antifa, Black Lives Matter, Proud Boys, etc. etc. They all have trolls, they all will harass and demean you if you disagree with them online. Any "serious" internet discussion will devolve into troll tactics these days. Why? Because its effective. Apple vs Epic Games is just the latest bit, and we're certainly going to see internet trolls start to weaponize forums to bring people to their side.

mikelyons 6y ago
> _further their own gains_ That was what made me think you were refering to selfishness. High consciousness by definition resists ideology. Ideology is a limitation of consciousness. Trolls that are harassing, doxing, and SWATing, are doing it for selfish reasons, even if their excuse is something external. Intimidating and silencing critics, classic stage red, sound like any presidents you know? I don't disagree that trolling is effective, the majority of the population is somewhere in stage red/blue/orange, very few of us are green or above. I understand what you're explaining, I think having an overview of the model will help you understand what I am pointing to.