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Facebook willingly pulled out of China because it was not willing to comply with Chinese laws surrounding disinformation and hate speech. It is not even a remo

Facebook willingly pulled out of China because it was not willing to comply with Chinese laws surrounding disinformation and hate speech. It is not even a remotely similar situation.

usaar333 6y ago
Disinformation being defined as "disagreeing with official government statements"
- pphysch 6y ago
  China blocked Facebook following the deadly 2009 Ürümqi terrorist attacks because Facebook was negligently allowing ETIM-backed groups to spread disinformation and hatred via their platform. Facebook subsequently refused to filter such content and the ban continues to this day. Control over the Xinjiang/Uyghur narrative is paramount in the "New Cold War" declared against China by Pompeo this July, so Facebook's actions are not surprising.
- Spivak 6y ago
  You can hold both of these opinions. - If you wish to do business in a country you must follow their laws. - The laws of a country are unjust, oppressive and the government that enacted them is corrupt.
  - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
    China is not a "rule of law" country. Their constitution has a strong guarantee for freedom of speech, for example, but this is meaningless because they don't have an independent judiciary. They do have "rule by law", which basically mean law is used as a means for the officials to accomplish whatever goals they are interested in (vs. rule of law where laws are interpreted independently of goals). > The laws of a country are unjust, oppressive and the government that enacted them is corrupt. The laws of a country could be completely just and unoppressive, but it doesn't really matter unless the judiciary has the will and power to use them in the people's best interest.
remarkEon 6y ago
This is a weird way of saying "Facebook didn't think it in their interest to comply with Communist censorship requirements".
stuqqq 6y ago
you know nothing about the censorship conduced by the Chinese government. Bytedance can comply to US’ requirement of untying CCP. but a simple google search tells the truth https://www.google.com/search?q=%E5%AD%97%E8%8A%82%E8%B7%B3%E5%8A%A8+%E5%85%9A%E6%94%AF%E9%83%A8&safe=off&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS712US713&hl=en-US&prmd=nmiv&sxsrf=ALeKk03fgba4bklN8PzKD5kCZNNzZ1Cc7g:1598296225147&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjwlvu1xbTrAhXCs54KHZ-3BJAQ_AUoA3oECGUQAw&biw=375&bih=553 https://www.google.com/search?q=%E5%AD%97%E8%8A%82%E8%B7%B3%... As a Chinese, I want someone be tough on The new Hitler, I don’t care if Volkswagen is caught in the middle.
- pphysch 6y ago
  Please leave the hysterical propaganda out of HN.
  - boogies 6y ago
    One of the most interesting books I was ever required to read was Night, by Elie Wiesel. In it he recounts how Holocaust survivors where disbelieved as similar to hysterical when they returned to warn their fellow Jews of the horrors ahead. From page 7: > Day after day, night after night, he went from one Jewish house to the next, telling his story and that of Malka, the young girl who lay dying for three days, and that of Tobie, the tailor who begged to die before his sons were killed. > Moishe was not the same. The joy in his eyes was gone. He no longer sang. He no longer mentioned either God or Kabbalah. He spoke only of what he had seen. But people not only refused to believe his tales, they refused to listen. Some even insinuated that he only wanted their pity, that he was imagining things. Others flatly said that he had gone mad. Is it impossible for history to repeat itself with a new Hitler? If not, how could we recognize him (/her)?
stuqqq 6y ago
China banned NBA for misinformation? Should NBA comply?
- pphysch 6y ago
  It's up to them! They are (hopefully) independent of the State Department and can make their own choices. The basketball community in China is larger than that of America.
creato 6y ago
There are only two end states here if you insist on this reasoning: either Chinese companies dominate the world, because they can exist under their laws and ours but companies from other countries cannot; or the western world adopts laws like the Chinese and blocks foreign competition with unreasonable requirements (however "lawful" they might be).
cmonnow 6y ago
In other news, blacks willingly choose not to be slaves to white masters.

Facebook willingly pulled out of China because it was not willing to comply with Chinese laws surrounding disinformation and hate speech. It is not even a remotely similar situation.

usaar333 6y ago

Disinformation being defined as "disagreeing with official government statements"

pphysch 6y ago
China blocked Facebook following the deadly 2009 Ürümqi terrorist attacks because Facebook was negligently allowing ETIM-backed groups to spread disinformation and hatred via their platform. Facebook subsequently refused to filter such content and the ban continues to this day. Control over the Xinjiang/Uyghur narrative is paramount in the "New Cold War" declared against China by Pompeo this July, so Facebook's actions are not surprising.
Spivak 6y ago
You can hold both of these opinions. - If you wish to do business in a country you must follow their laws. - The laws of a country are unjust, oppressive and the government that enacted them is corrupt.
- seanmcdirmid 6y ago
  China is not a "rule of law" country. Their constitution has a strong guarantee for freedom of speech, for example, but this is meaningless because they don't have an independent judiciary. They do have "rule by law", which basically mean law is used as a means for the officials to accomplish whatever goals they are interested in (vs. rule of law where laws are interpreted independently of goals). > The laws of a country are unjust, oppressive and the government that enacted them is corrupt. The laws of a country could be completely just and unoppressive, but it doesn't really matter unless the judiciary has the will and power to use them in the people's best interest.

remarkEon 6y ago

This is a weird way of saying "Facebook didn't think it in their interest to comply with Communist censorship requirements".

stuqqq 6y ago

you know nothing about the censorship conduced by the Chinese government. Bytedance can comply to US’ requirement of untying CCP. but a simple google search tells the truth https://www.google.com/search?q=%E5%AD%97%E8%8A%82%E8%B7%B3%E5%8A%A8+%E5%85%9A%E6%94%AF%E9%83%A8&safe=off&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS712US713&hl=en-US&prmd=nmiv&sxsrf=ALeKk03fgba4bklN8PzKD5kCZNNzZ1Cc7g:1598296225147&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjwlvu1xbTrAhXCs54KHZ-3BJAQ_AUoA3oECGUQAw&biw=375&bih=553 https://www.google.com/search?q=%E5%AD%97%E8%8A%82%E8%B7%B3%... As a Chinese, I want someone be tough on The new Hitler, I don’t care if Volkswagen is caught in the middle.

pphysch 6y ago
Please leave the hysterical propaganda out of HN.
- boogies 6y ago
  One of the most interesting books I was ever required to read was Night, by Elie Wiesel. In it he recounts how Holocaust survivors where disbelieved as similar to hysterical when they returned to warn their fellow Jews of the horrors ahead. From page 7: > Day after day, night after night, he went from one Jewish house to the next, telling his story and that of Malka, the young girl who lay dying for three days, and that of Tobie, the tailor who begged to die before his sons were killed. > Moishe was not the same. The joy in his eyes was gone. He no longer sang. He no longer mentioned either God or Kabbalah. He spoke only of what he had seen. But people not only refused to believe his tales, they refused to listen. Some even insinuated that he only wanted their pity, that he was imagining things. Others flatly said that he had gone mad. Is it impossible for history to repeat itself with a new Hitler? If not, how could we recognize him (/her)?

stuqqq 6y ago

China banned NBA for misinformation? Should NBA comply?

pphysch 6y ago
It's up to them! They are (hopefully) independent of the State Department and can make their own choices. The basketball community in China is larger than that of America.

creato 6y ago

There are only two end states here if you insist on this reasoning: either Chinese companies dominate the world, because they can exist under their laws and ours but companies from other countries cannot; or the western world adopts laws like the Chinese and blocks foreign competition with unreasonable requirements (however "lawful" they might be).

cmonnow 6y ago

In other news, blacks willingly choose not to be slaves to white masters.