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Facial recognition seems a bit like shoe print id. A valuable clue, but not enough to ruin somebody's life over. That is so obvious that anecdotes about false a

Facial recognition seems a bit like shoe print id. A valuable clue, but not enough to ruin somebody's life over. That is so obvious that anecdotes about false arrest seem like obvious human incompetence.

xorfish 6y ago
And it doesn't matter if the facial recognition is done by a human or a machine. They both produce false results on a regular basis.
raxxorrax 6y ago
I don't think it is valuable. Especially with falling crime rates, developing such systems is basically bullshit job in a bullshit industry. Exaggerated, but I haven't really seen neither need nor success of any facreg system. Sure, security agencies might be able to supply some cases when it helped to catch a criminal, but the side effects suggest it isn't even slightly worth it.
- tetromino_ 6y ago
  Falling crime rates? For some categories of crime, sure, but e.g. murder rates this year have risen sharply in major US cities. https://nyti.ms/3gyoVqd https://nyti.ms/3gyoVqd - "At least 336 people have been murdered in Chicago through July 2, according to the Chicago Police Department; because murders typically increase in the summer, the city is on track to match the 778 deaths in 2016, its deadliest year since the mid-1990s. <...> Chicago is not alone. Before the coronavirus hit, homicides were escalating nationwide in early 2020, and although the lockdown brought a pause, they began rising again as the stay-at-home measures were lifted. A national study showed that homicide rates fell in 39 of 64 major cities during April and began creeping up in May." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/nyregion/nyc-shootings-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/nyregion/nyc-shootings-co... - "On Sunday, another 19 people were shot in New York City, one fatally. Through the first seven months of this year, shootings were up 72 percent over the same period last year and murders rose 30 percent, even as reports of other violent crimes like rape, assault and robbery fell."
  - raxxorrax 6y ago
    I think these problems might have to do with a current conflict within the US society that needs to be talked about and surveillance or the lack of it is neither the reason nor the solution.
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      Indeed. Historically, reducing contradictions and tensions in society is a much more durable solution than ramping up enforcement.
    - tetromino_ 6y ago
      I don't understand why you think it's not a solution. Witnesses refusing to talk to cops is a problem. Given the "current conflict", witnesses may be even less willing to talk than usual. And camera surveillance with a good facial recognition system (i.e. one that has been trained and certified to recognize faces of all ages, ethnicities, and phenotypes, not just white college students) would certainly seem like a solution that could help track down murderers.
      - bkor 6y ago
        UK has loads of camera surveillance, it didn't really help with the crime rates. Seems better to avoid people getting into crimes. Meaning: reduce the difference between super rich and very poor, ensure people have the ability to have a good life (basically: afford to start a family), etc. Anyway, that's what helped in NL.

xorfish 6y ago

And it doesn't matter if the facial recognition is done by a human or a machine. They both produce false results on a regular basis.

raxxorrax 6y ago

I don't think it is valuable. Especially with falling crime rates, developing such systems is basically bullshit job in a bullshit industry. Exaggerated, but I haven't really seen neither need nor success of any facreg system. Sure, security agencies might be able to supply some cases when it helped to catch a criminal, but the side effects suggest it isn't even slightly worth it.

tetromino_ 6y ago
Falling crime rates? For some categories of crime, sure, but e.g. murder rates this year have risen sharply in major US cities. https://nyti.ms/3gyoVqd https://nyti.ms/3gyoVqd - "At least 336 people have been murdered in Chicago through July 2, according to the Chicago Police Department; because murders typically increase in the summer, the city is on track to match the 778 deaths in 2016, its deadliest year since the mid-1990s. <...> Chicago is not alone. Before the coronavirus hit, homicides were escalating nationwide in early 2020, and although the lockdown brought a pause, they began rising again as the stay-at-home measures were lifted. A national study showed that homicide rates fell in 39 of 64 major cities during April and began creeping up in May." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/nyregion/nyc-shootings-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/nyregion/nyc-shootings-co... - "On Sunday, another 19 people were shot in New York City, one fatally. Through the first seven months of this year, shootings were up 72 percent over the same period last year and murders rose 30 percent, even as reports of other violent crimes like rape, assault and robbery fell."
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  I think these problems might have to do with a current conflict within the US society that needs to be talked about and surveillance or the lack of it is neither the reason nor the solution.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Indeed. Historically, reducing contradictions and tensions in society is a much more durable solution than ramping up enforcement.
  - tetromino_ 6y ago
    I don't understand why you think it's not a solution. Witnesses refusing to talk to cops is a problem. Given the "current conflict", witnesses may be even less willing to talk than usual. And camera surveillance with a good facial recognition system (i.e. one that has been trained and certified to recognize faces of all ages, ethnicities, and phenotypes, not just white college students) would certainly seem like a solution that could help track down murderers.
    - bkor 6y ago
      UK has loads of camera surveillance, it didn't really help with the crime rates. Seems better to avoid people getting into crimes. Meaning: reduce the difference between super rich and very poor, ensure people have the ability to have a good life (basically: afford to start a family), etc. Anyway, that's what helped in NL.