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I don't know if this is supposed to be a propaganda piece, but nothing about that dump is an "oasis". If you've driven by there, and I have many times, it smell

I don't know if this is supposed to be a propaganda piece, but nothing about that dump is an "oasis". If you've driven by there, and I have many times, it smells so awful you have to close your car windows and turn off the car ventilation. It smells absolutely rotten and toxic. I worry for people who live and grow up in the vicinity. Underneath the soil, everything there is toxic, a mix of whatever people put in landfills. Of course it will seep liquids into the ground eventually, despite the waterproof layer underneath, it's only a matter of time. I acknowledge and appreciate the positive intentions, but we should not fool ourselves into viewing this a success. To do so would be an act of denial, and would be dangerous for our planet's health.

spodek 6y ago
What else can this piece be but propaganda? Covered over is not clean. This piece is disgusting. Is it really trying to claim that because it has green plants that it is clean? The author must consider Chernobyl lovely too.
- melling 6y ago
  Now NYC puts its trash on trains and sends it hundreds of miles away. A lot of recycling now goes there too since China stopped taking American recycling.
- foolmeonce 6y ago
  Definitely. The lands around Chernobyl are lovely now compared to inhabitable places in the region.. It could make the center piece in a parody of this kind of green-on-the-surface PR somewhat in line with parodies of clean coal.
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Ozzie_osman 6y ago
It also doesn't even look pretty in the pictures.
voidhorse 6y ago
As someone who grew up in SI and could smell the stench of the dump while my parents drove down amboy road as a kid, I can confirm that, even if a smell lingers, it is far more palatableand less intense and all encompassing than it once was. While it was an active dump you could smell it for miles. It was disgusting. I’m not claiming the original dump should be forgiven, but it seems quite cynical and ineffective to tarnish what has been pretty objectively a positive environmental development for Staten Island residents. We’re not talking about a small feat either. This was one of the largest dumping grounds in the world. I don’t think the times piece is by any means suggesting that such disasters are completely reversible and that we should therefore commit more of them—it just highlights a positive turnaround project which we’ll certainly need more of in the coming years if we’re going to save the planet.
- vosper 6y ago
  >> nothing about that dump is an "oasis” > I can confirm that, even if a smell lingers, it is far more palatableand less intense and all encompassing than it once was Sounds like you’re in agreement with the statement that it’s far from an oasis?
- pizza234 6y ago
  > we’ll certainly need more of in the coming years if we’re going to save the planet. How does that contribute to saving the planet? It's as close as it gets to "sweeping the dust under the rug". This has been satirized brilliantly in the Simpsons' episode "Trash of the titans", and I'm very perplexed how, while the episode is undoubtedly horrifying, an initiative like this can be perceived as laudable.
  - Craighead 6y ago
    what's the alternative to handling a giant dump then?
- DoctorOetker 6y ago
  >I don’t think the times piece is by any means suggesting that such disasters are completely reversible it's calling it more than reversible, it's calling it a green oasis

spodek 6y ago

What else can this piece be but propaganda? Covered over is not clean. This piece is disgusting. Is it really trying to claim that because it has green plants that it is clean? The author must consider Chernobyl lovely too.

melling 6y ago
Now NYC puts its trash on trains and sends it hundreds of miles away. A lot of recycling now goes there too since China stopped taking American recycling.
foolmeonce 6y ago
Definitely. The lands around Chernobyl are lovely now compared to inhabitable places in the region.. It could make the center piece in a parody of this kind of green-on-the-surface PR somewhat in line with parodies of clean coal.

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Ozzie_osman 6y ago

It also doesn't even look pretty in the pictures.

voidhorse 6y ago

As someone who grew up in SI and could smell the stench of the dump while my parents drove down amboy road as a kid, I can confirm that, even if a smell lingers, it is far more palatableand less intense and all encompassing than it once was. While it was an active dump you could smell it for miles. It was disgusting. I’m not claiming the original dump should be forgiven, but it seems quite cynical and ineffective to tarnish what has been pretty objectively a positive environmental development for Staten Island residents. We’re not talking about a small feat either. This was one of the largest dumping grounds in the world. I don’t think the times piece is by any means suggesting that such disasters are completely reversible and that we should therefore commit more of them—it just highlights a positive turnaround project which we’ll certainly need more of in the coming years if we’re going to save the planet.

vosper 6y ago
>> nothing about that dump is an "oasis” > I can confirm that, even if a smell lingers, it is far more palatableand less intense and all encompassing than it once was Sounds like you’re in agreement with the statement that it’s far from an oasis?
pizza234 6y ago
> we’ll certainly need more of in the coming years if we’re going to save the planet. How does that contribute to saving the planet? It's as close as it gets to "sweeping the dust under the rug". This has been satirized brilliantly in the Simpsons' episode "Trash of the titans", and I'm very perplexed how, while the episode is undoubtedly horrifying, an initiative like this can be perceived as laudable.
- Craighead 6y ago
  what's the alternative to handling a giant dump then?
DoctorOetker 6y ago
>I don’t think the times piece is by any means suggesting that such disasters are completely reversible it's calling it more than reversible, it's calling it a green oasis