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We are talking about TikTok here. Please do not intentionally mix 2 entities. There is law forced upon TikTok to abide by US law (or any local laws where TikTo

We are talking about TikTok here. Please do not intentionally mix 2 entities. There is law forced upon TikTok to abide by US law (or any local laws where TikTok operates). Protecting TikTok is fighting the abuses forced onto the US and other international corps by CCP and the Chinese government.

chrischen 6y ago
We force other countries as well, such as the inane war on drugs. We threaten to sanction countries that legalize drugs. It’s projection of power 101. China’s no saint but the level you have been brainwashed to think America is such the great protector of democracy and freedom is typical global-unaware American ignorance.
- coliveira 6y ago
  Finally the king is naked. Chinese industry has show that what the US wants is to submit other countries, not real competition.
  - justicezyx 6y ago
    I do not think this type of discussion is useful at all. Even inside China. They need to learn and study other nation's policies and laws to make sure they can continue maintain a society of 1.4 Billion people. Both US and China would benefit from open competition, in general. Of cuz, in certain scenarios & times, the discussion is much more nuanced. Like the TikTok discussion here.
    - Dahoon 6y ago
      >They need to learn and study other nation's policies and laws to make sure they can continue maintain a society of 1.4 Billion people. Study, yes. Copy or follow, no. China should stay China. We have enough countries trying to dance after the US tune already. >Both US and China would benefit from open competition, in general. Absolutely, but not under US rules or law outside the US. Tiktok should be allowed to collect just as much information as Facebook and Google or more if they want to as as long as it legal. This whole trying to make different rules in the US for foreign businesses is worse than what China is blamed of doing. Chinese businesses have more rules to follow in China than foreign businesses. Exactly the opposite than what the US is doing. If the US won't do business with Chinese businesses because they are sometimes mixed in with the state they are playing favourites because lots and lots of trade is done with state owned and run businesses from other countries, like Scandinavia. The problem here isn't what China is or isn't doing. It is the colour of their skin and that it isn't the capitalist system the US wants everyone to be.
      - coliveira 6y ago
        Exactly, the real problem with the US is that it cannot control China, like it does with other countries integrated to the US system. And they supported China as long as they had hope to control their political system.
        refurb 6y ago
        Does the US control Russia? No. It's not about control, it's about national security. Allowing a company to operate in the US that is practically under control by a hostile authoritarian system is a national security risk.
        disgruntledphd2 6y ago
        Why isn't Lenovo banned then?
        chrischen 6y ago
        Lenovo didn’t piss off Trump like TikTok users did.
        coliveira 6y ago
        I wonder what makes it a hostile system, since they have been commercially cooperating with the US for decades. The official party line of the US government doesn't even make sense.
- justicezyx 6y ago
  Well, let me tell you, you thought I was brainwashed to pro-USA; and I have been called were linked with CCP as well. What I was saying is that China and CCP, in terms of respecting international laws, are behind US. So here US has the opportunity to continue setting the example. I of course do not fantasizing US government being purely good.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    >The CCP, in terms of respecting international laws, are behind the US. Only because the US unilaterally decides what international law means. China has not committed any offence of international law anywhere even near that of the Iraq War in the last half-century. The US only seems good because they set the example. The US literally has the Hague invasion act. It has absolutely no care in the world about international law, international law retroactively changes to suit the US.
    - khuey 6y ago
      > Only because the US unilaterally decides what international law means. That would be news to Mike Pompeo who just lost a big UNSC vote this week.
      - sudosysgen 6y ago
        Since when did the US care what the UNSC says? Did the US not lose the UNSC vote for the invasion of Iraq? Did that matter to the 1 000 000 dead Iraqis? International law only matters as far as the narrative it sets.

chrischen 6y ago

We force other countries as well, such as the inane war on drugs. We threaten to sanction countries that legalize drugs. It’s projection of power 101. China’s no saint but the level you have been brainwashed to think America is such the great protector of democracy and freedom is typical global-unaware American ignorance.

coliveira 6y ago
Finally the king is naked. Chinese industry has show that what the US wants is to submit other countries, not real competition.
- justicezyx 6y ago
  I do not think this type of discussion is useful at all. Even inside China. They need to learn and study other nation's policies and laws to make sure they can continue maintain a society of 1.4 Billion people. Both US and China would benefit from open competition, in general. Of cuz, in certain scenarios & times, the discussion is much more nuanced. Like the TikTok discussion here.
  - Dahoon 6y ago
    >They need to learn and study other nation's policies and laws to make sure they can continue maintain a society of 1.4 Billion people. Study, yes. Copy or follow, no. China should stay China. We have enough countries trying to dance after the US tune already. >Both US and China would benefit from open competition, in general. Absolutely, but not under US rules or law outside the US. Tiktok should be allowed to collect just as much information as Facebook and Google or more if they want to as as long as it legal. This whole trying to make different rules in the US for foreign businesses is worse than what China is blamed of doing. Chinese businesses have more rules to follow in China than foreign businesses. Exactly the opposite than what the US is doing. If the US won't do business with Chinese businesses because they are sometimes mixed in with the state they are playing favourites because lots and lots of trade is done with state owned and run businesses from other countries, like Scandinavia. The problem here isn't what China is or isn't doing. It is the colour of their skin and that it isn't the capitalist system the US wants everyone to be.
    - coliveira 6y ago
      Exactly, the real problem with the US is that it cannot control China, like it does with other countries integrated to the US system. And they supported China as long as they had hope to control their political system.
      - refurb 6y ago
        Does the US control Russia? No. It's not about control, it's about national security. Allowing a company to operate in the US that is practically under control by a hostile authoritarian system is a national security risk.
        disgruntledphd2 6y ago
        Why isn't Lenovo banned then?
        chrischen 6y ago
        Lenovo didn’t piss off Trump like TikTok users did.
        coliveira 6y ago
        I wonder what makes it a hostile system, since they have been commercially cooperating with the US for decades. The official party line of the US government doesn't even make sense.
justicezyx 6y ago
Well, let me tell you, you thought I was brainwashed to pro-USA; and I have been called were linked with CCP as well. What I was saying is that China and CCP, in terms of respecting international laws, are behind US. So here US has the opportunity to continue setting the example. I of course do not fantasizing US government being purely good.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  >The CCP, in terms of respecting international laws, are behind the US. Only because the US unilaterally decides what international law means. China has not committed any offence of international law anywhere even near that of the Iraq War in the last half-century. The US only seems good because they set the example. The US literally has the Hague invasion act. It has absolutely no care in the world about international law, international law retroactively changes to suit the US.
  - khuey 6y ago
    > Only because the US unilaterally decides what international law means. That would be news to Mike Pompeo who just lost a big UNSC vote this week.
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      Since when did the US care what the UNSC says? Did the US not lose the UNSC vote for the invasion of Iraq? Did that matter to the 1 000 000 dead Iraqis? International law only matters as far as the narrative it sets.