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Because we learn from our mistakes in science, for the most part? That is, the thresholds to claim things are much higher (despite what dailymail-equivalents s
by cmehdy 6y ago
Because we learn from our mistakes in science, for the most part?
That is, the thresholds to claim things are much higher (despite what dailymail-equivalents succeed in advertising on social networks), and the methodologies are able to be scrutinized almost in real time by the entire world (let's give a shout out to sci-hub there..)
What I'm saying, is that yes there will have been mistakes made because science mostly makes mistakes (especially in the short term), but that the threshold to invalidate something that gets anchored nowadays is much higher than "not long ago" (on the order of a few human generations at most).
"Race scientists who would think scientifically" back then are probably now diluted into "[other science] scientist who are aware of differences regarding their research", as evidenced by the two links I gave in the previous post. Whether it is AI researchers having to think a bit harder about how their training sets incorporate no black people, or anesthesiologists having to accommodate for a redhead's genetically higher tolerance to what they're being put under. Also, AFAIK, "race science" is a term that seems to have been coopted in the last few decades - the closest thing I could think of that was practiced might have been a biased anthropology, but otherwise it is scientific racism that was pervasive throughout the research of other fields, and not a field in and of itself. That's already a pretty major difference with gender studies, and therefore why I added the edit in my previous post.
Gender studies as a field will produce research that makes valid claims with repeatability will survive, and research with biased claims or no repeatability. Time will kill the bad ideas without necessarily killing the field - or is physics worthless because we once attached meaning to Heliocentrism or considered that there was an aether for the transmission of light, or even simply because QM and relativity don't blend well ?
Interestingly enough with your parallel, the foundations of scientific racism were intertwined with people perceiving race as a social construct over a biologically immutable one (Henri de Boulainvilliers). I suspect research of the nature to make a discernible definition emerge along those lines[0] will contribute to the evolution of the perception of the field and ultimately help the more useful research survive debates in the long run.
[0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29460079/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29460079/
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoPhysics isn't considered worthless, but alchemy is, even though it laid much of the groundwork for modern chemistry. My contention is that the fundamental tenets around which gender studies research is framed - things like the definition and concept of gender identity used in that paper you linked - could end up being so misguided that research based on them is unusable no matter how rigorous. The strength of our modern castle-building tools won't help us if the foundation's made of sand.
- cmehdy 6y agoBut your comparison (and fear) only holds if you believe that in 2020 we could see alchemy exist without being outright debunked. This is what I'm saying is different in the world of 2020 vs even just 110 years ago (phrenology). Gender studies aren't new either, sure they've been a resurgence but we're talking about decades by now. If it truly doesn't hold a single ounce of useful meaning as a field in a world of constant worldwide scrutiny that, even limited to the "scientists" of yore, has probably not doubled but gone beyond tenfold, where's the evidence to raze it all? We're fearing what we don't understand because it shatters our perceptions, but we're in the best of times to be facing new things with open arms in order to apply the full brunt of scientific techniques to it and sift through what will stand the test of time.