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Promised Land: Religious ideology and solarpunk science fiction

42 points by apsec112 6y ago

bencollier49 6y ago
There's an argument which says that Science Fiction (proper Science Fiction, not Star Wars books) is less popular because whereas in the 1950 technology was a wonder, now it's a horror, its early promise unfulfilled. SF books have gone dark and frequently feature dystopias. Despite the linked essay being a bit overblown, the author might be on to something. They're describing an optimistic, inspiring Science Fiction which posits a way out of our current doldrums using real technology, inspiring people to make real change. I can get onboard with that.
- C1sc0cat 6y ago
  A lot of key SF books in the cannon are dystopias 1984, We , Brave New World, Gulliver's travels could possibly be considered SF as well.
  - 082349872349872 6y ago
    I'm not sure that 1984 isn't just The Republic (an ancient greek's utopia) with minor differences. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24069572 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24069572 (Properly speaking, it's only truly dystopic for 13% of the population who are self-censoring Outer Party members https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23975900 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23975900 . Proles are free. The Inner Party is meritocratic. Presumably the Outer Party members are those who are both too snobbish to be proles yet insufficiently apt to join the Inner Party, so it is no wonder they —as some do in our present— make up for lack of ability via surplus of ideology. Someday I should try to write a short story in which the recently-promoted Syme is telling his new colleagues amusing anecdotes about this fellow Smith he used to work with: not a bad chap at heart, but frightfully prone to paranoid[1] conspiracy theories.) As for Brave New World, it's a (utilitarian) utopia, just one that doesn't have any room for English Literature teachers, so of course they'd be against it, wouldn't they? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24098309 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24098309 We does seem truly dystopic, a precursor of the Paranoia RPG. Compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(1927_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(1927_film) . I don't think it directly influenced Brave New World, however, because BNW can be constructed simply by taking the pillars of the pre-WWI world (church, family, wealth, etc.) and imagining a world where either things are reversed (e.g. doing one's duty doesn't mean putting off the pleasant to do the unpleasant. Doing one's duty is consuming pleasantries.) or, even more heretically, completely irrelevant (families, nuclear or otherwise. No need to straighten out who inherits what when money doesn't seem to be an issue.). Where BNW does agree with pre-WWI mores is in its class system, which is just handled more efficiently, if no less obviously, in the After-Ford future because people colour- rather than costume-code themselves. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24222905 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24222905 (or, if costume doesn't suffice, refer to postal code.) For clear evidence of technical progress between the eighteenth and twenty-first centuries, we can compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Engine with GPT-3. [1] Blair/Orwell > "I have said that at St Cyprian's we were not allowed to keep our own money. However, it was possible to hold back a shilling or two, and sometimes I used furtively to buy sweets which I kept hidden in the loose ivy on the playing-field wall. One day when I had been sent on an errand I went into a sweet-shop a mile or more from the school and bought some chocolates. As I came out of the shop I saw on the opposite pavement a small sharp-faced man who seemed to be staring very hard at my school cap. Instantly a horrible fear went through me. There could be no doubt as to who the man was. He was a spy placed there by Sambo! I turned away unconcernedly, and then, as though my legs were doing it of their own accord, broke into a clumsy run. But when I got round the next corner I forced myself to walk again, for to run was a sign of guilt, and obviously there would be other spies posted here and there about the town. All that day and the next I waited for the summons to the study, and was surprised when it did not come. It did not seem to me strange that the headmaster of a private school should dispose of an army of informers, and I did not even imagine that would have to pay them. I assumed that any adult, inside the school or outside, would collaborate voluntarily in preventing us from breaking the rules. Sambo was all-powerful; it was natural that his agent should be everywhere. When this episode happened I do not think I can have been less than twelve years old."
    - ceilingcorner 6y ago
      Plato’s Republic is nothing like 1984 and to suggest so shows a deep, fundamental lack of knowledge on Plato’s conceptions of the soul, truth, beauty, and innumerable other things generally considered ‘positive.’
      - 082349872349872 6y ago
        - soul: do you have a cite? I believe Plato is fairly orthodox in ascribing souls to people, not to the state. - truth: is what the rulers make of it http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0168%3Abook%3D3%3Asection%3D389b http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... et seq and certainly would be undermined by the arts, necessitating heavy censorship http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0168%3Abook%3D10%3Asection%3D607a http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... - beauty: does this occur in 1984? It's not in Goldstein at all, so I have nothing to parallel. In the meantime, Jowett's translation of Book V: > "Yes, and the most ridiculous thing of all will be the sight of women naked in the palaestra, exercising with the men, especially when they are no longer young; they certainly will not be a vision of beauty, any more than the enthusiastic old men who in spite of wrinkles and ugliness continue to frequent the gymnasia. Yes, indeed, he said: according to present notions the proposal would be thought ridiculous. But then, I said, as we have determined to speak our minds, we must not fear the jests of the wits which will be directed against this sort of innovation; how they will talk of women's attainments both in music and gymnastic, and above all about their wearing armour and riding upon horseback!" makes me wonder if he'd had any exposure to Scyths, etc.? e.g. https://d30womf5coomej.cloudfront.net/c/d4/0cb93d1b-dc27-43dc-bc46-ed549fd6fa76.jpg https://d30womf5coomej.cloudfront.net/c/d4/0cb93d1b-dc27-43d... (from https://tapas.io/episode/1577942 https://tapas.io/episode/1577942 ) and compare http://www.math.uchicago.edu/~wald/lit/heroine_barbarian.html http://www.math.uchicago.edu/~wald/lit/heroine_barbarian.htm... (incidentally, "Who needs to wait for daylight? I just work by _sensus tactilis_." is a classical reference, but I recall neither poem nor author at the moment.)
        ceilingcorner 6y ago
  - bencollier49 6y ago
    Arguably the stuff from the Golden Age wasn't quite so much that way inclined.
    - C1sc0cat 6y ago
      We is 1920's
      - 082349872349872 6y ago
        According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Science_Fiction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Science_Fiction, the Golden Age was brief: 1938-1946.
- Ygg2 6y ago
  > posits a way out of our current doldrums using real technology I doubt that. Saying Solarpunk solves current problems is like saying Space Odyssey solves Hard AI. And for the record, dystopia can solve global warming. Just exterminate most of humanity. Solarpunk has been so far a blip in the sea of Cyberpunk and cyberpunk dystopias. This whole thing feels like marketing materials for Solarpunk + Religion.
- xtiansimon 6y ago
  I like the science fiction which doesn’t believe in fairy tales. Homo sapiens sapiens evolution over 5 million years conditioned to life on Earth—-so what’s out there? Solaris (2002) or Expanse book series scratch that itch. The horrific is a turn back to ourselves. Everything else is the shock of planetary ecosystems we did not evolve to survive in. Stephenson’s SevenEves has that same effect just in how hard it is to get off world in a hurry.
javert 6y ago
Yuck. I don't know how to categorize this kind of writing, exactly, but I recognize it when I see it. It's "intersectionalist," fixated on race, anti-capitalist, and written in a way that is very hard to understand. I'm not sure if that's done intentionally, or if it's actually easy to read for those with the proper training in modern-academic quasi-Marxist thought. It takes pride in being a little bit sloppy and not following the rules of grammar and writing. Maybe the right thing to call it is "critical theory?" Genuinely not sure, but that's probably about right.
- anemoiac 6y ago
  What exactly don’t you like about this type of writing?
  - javert 6y ago
    Exactly the things I said in my previous comment. It may not have been clear that I dislike those things, but I do dislike them. I think they are ultimately anti-reason and anti-individualist, and also just in bad taste. Intentionally in bad taste, actually, but that's popular these days in niche parts of the radical left---again, yuck. This is the literary equivalent of the "fat is beautiful" movement. I think at least some of the authors who write this way would even be willing to agree to that statement.
    - TeaDrunk 6y ago
      Maybe you just personally can’t stand opinions you don’t agree with without finding it yucky? I mean, I have also have a subset of opinions I find yucky, so that’s reasonable, I’m just confused that you want to comment about how you find it such without actually adding in anything more than explaining what you don’t like.
      - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
        I actually love the core ideas of this piece, and I really don't like the style. The OP has a point, this is pretty like critical theory and shares some of the delighting in obscurities hidden in large words.
nkrisc 6y ago
Unrelated to the actual substance of the writing, I was completely mystified by this passage: > In truth, solarpunk is functional AF. The primary colors of its aura are red, orange, and yellow: Courageously compassionate, creatively scientific, and awakened interdependence. In many ways, it can be more rigorous than so-called “hard science fiction.” Don’t @ the messenger; I know science fiction is often shortened to SF but I don't know what AF is. The aura bit is completely baffling to me and seems like a non-sequitur, and the last sentence has a @ that I thought was a typo but I'm guessing maybe it wasn't. I feel like I'm not the intended audience here, despite enjoying science fiction.
- corry 6y ago
  AF = “as fuck”; the @ is used in reference to a direct message/mention or tweet - like “don’t tweet at me about this bro”.
- greenonions 6y ago
  I believe AF is commonly short for "as fuck". Also, "don't @" used here is something along the lines of "don't tag me in a post calling me out for my opinion". As for auras, I'm as lost as you.
- eckza 6y ago
  It's newspeak.
  - Alekhine 6y ago
    Deviating from Standard English is not Newspeak.
Causality1 6y ago
Solar energy cities under the sea I'm beginning to pick up why this is an arts movement instead of a scientific movement.
- mkoubaa 6y ago
  It's called an example. How much of the other sub genres of science fiction had a story here or there that were completely off technically. try not to write off the whole group based on one example, please.
  - Causality1 6y ago
    When you say that your genre is "harder than hard science fiction" and "functional AF" you destroy your own case by saying it has "primary aura colors of red, orange, and yellow."
motohagiography 6y ago
I think there's some merit in looking at what the effect of "x-punk," movements have on culture. The idea of punk itself was the DIY music aspect that moved into clothing and zines, and built an aesthetic that spawned a network of cafes and bars and really is a subculture. The idea of an anti-establishment movement is one that is really just vying for establishment influence by defecting from it instead of negotiating within it, but it's still very much a part of it. What I call "punk privilege," is that almost no punks were ever really poor, and it was a way for the poor to elevate themselves into an anti-middle class that was appendent to the middle class. In the 80's and 90's, punk and other subcultures were actually a path out of the underclass and into (the almost exclusively white) bohemian culture, and a way for technocratic up and comers to signify their skills. (e.g. "I'm so good the establishment tolerates my green hair") It's been through generations of co-opting, where now old punk aesthetics are a signal of membership in the new establishment, with pink and green haired people operating the administrative layers of academia and government, and the "real punk," that is, the independent creative networks that diverge from this new establishemnt are attracting outsiders and creating a primordial soup for the next wave of culture and innovation. What is surely true is that it will be a divergent reaction to the current establishment. I don't think this particular Solar punk aesthetic has enough grit to survive, but not being a part of it, it's not for me, it's for the people who do it and participate, which is ultimately what makes it punk.
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  Punk isn't dead, it just inquires if it may play through... https://michaelazerrad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8347993c469e2015435dd41aa970c-pi https://michaelazerrad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8347993c469e20154... On the subject of white suburban punks, here's an open question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23361351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23361351 (I've tried writing Alex Cox. No joy.)
hosh 6y ago
Oh so that is what solarpunk is. I have been looking for fiction that can express the ideas and values for permaculture design. Been looking in the wrong places. Though I bet the solarpunk view is still a different than what I had in mind.
mensetmanusman 6y ago
Is culture software, or is culture the operating system?
mkoubaa 6y ago
There's a cool solarpunk video game and manga coming out called protodroid delta, inspired by MegaMan.

42 points by apsec112 6y ago

There's an argument which says that Science Fiction (proper Science Fiction, not Star Wars books) is less popular because whereas in the 1950 technology was a wonder, now it's a horror, its early promise unfulfilled. SF books have gone dark and frequently feature dystopias. Despite the linked essay being a bit overblown, the author might be on to something. They're describing an optimistic, inspiring Science Fiction which posits a way out of our current doldrums using real technology, inspiring people to make real change. I can get onboard with that.

C1sc0cat 6y ago
A lot of key SF books in the cannon are dystopias 1984, We , Brave New World, Gulliver's travels could possibly be considered SF as well.
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  I'm not sure that 1984 isn't just The Republic (an ancient greek's utopia) with minor differences. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24069572 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24069572 (Properly speaking, it's only truly dystopic for 13% of the population who are self-censoring Outer Party members https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23975900 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23975900 . Proles are free. The Inner Party is meritocratic. Presumably the Outer Party members are those who are both too snobbish to be proles yet insufficiently apt to join the Inner Party, so it is no wonder they —as some do in our present— make up for lack of ability via surplus of ideology. Someday I should try to write a short story in which the recently-promoted Syme is telling his new colleagues amusing anecdotes about this fellow Smith he used to work with: not a bad chap at heart, but frightfully prone to paranoid[1] conspiracy theories.) As for Brave New World, it's a (utilitarian) utopia, just one that doesn't have any room for English Literature teachers, so of course they'd be against it, wouldn't they? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24098309 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24098309 We does seem truly dystopic, a precursor of the Paranoia RPG. Compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(1927_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(1927_film) . I don't think it directly influenced Brave New World, however, because BNW can be constructed simply by taking the pillars of the pre-WWI world (church, family, wealth, etc.) and imagining a world where either things are reversed (e.g. doing one's duty doesn't mean putting off the pleasant to do the unpleasant. Doing one's duty is consuming pleasantries.) or, even more heretically, completely irrelevant (families, nuclear or otherwise. No need to straighten out who inherits what when money doesn't seem to be an issue.). Where BNW does agree with pre-WWI mores is in its class system, which is just handled more efficiently, if no less obviously, in the After-Ford future because people colour- rather than costume-code themselves. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24222905 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24222905 (or, if costume doesn't suffice, refer to postal code.) For clear evidence of technical progress between the eighteenth and twenty-first centuries, we can compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Engine with GPT-3. [1] Blair/Orwell > "I have said that at St Cyprian's we were not allowed to keep our own money. However, it was possible to hold back a shilling or two, and sometimes I used furtively to buy sweets which I kept hidden in the loose ivy on the playing-field wall. One day when I had been sent on an errand I went into a sweet-shop a mile or more from the school and bought some chocolates. As I came out of the shop I saw on the opposite pavement a small sharp-faced man who seemed to be staring very hard at my school cap. Instantly a horrible fear went through me. There could be no doubt as to who the man was. He was a spy placed there by Sambo! I turned away unconcernedly, and then, as though my legs were doing it of their own accord, broke into a clumsy run. But when I got round the next corner I forced myself to walk again, for to run was a sign of guilt, and obviously there would be other spies posted here and there about the town. All that day and the next I waited for the summons to the study, and was surprised when it did not come. It did not seem to me strange that the headmaster of a private school should dispose of an army of informers, and I did not even imagine that would have to pay them. I assumed that any adult, inside the school or outside, would collaborate voluntarily in preventing us from breaking the rules. Sambo was all-powerful; it was natural that his agent should be everywhere. When this episode happened I do not think I can have been less than twelve years old."
  - ceilingcorner 6y ago
    Plato’s Republic is nothing like 1984 and to suggest so shows a deep, fundamental lack of knowledge on Plato’s conceptions of the soul, truth, beauty, and innumerable other things generally considered ‘positive.’
    - 082349872349872 6y ago
      - soul: do you have a cite? I believe Plato is fairly orthodox in ascribing souls to people, not to the state. - truth: is what the rulers make of it http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0168%3Abook%3D3%3Asection%3D389b http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... et seq and certainly would be undermined by the arts, necessitating heavy censorship http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0168%3Abook%3D10%3Asection%3D607a http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... - beauty: does this occur in 1984? It's not in Goldstein at all, so I have nothing to parallel. In the meantime, Jowett's translation of Book V: > "Yes, and the most ridiculous thing of all will be the sight of women naked in the palaestra, exercising with the men, especially when they are no longer young; they certainly will not be a vision of beauty, any more than the enthusiastic old men who in spite of wrinkles and ugliness continue to frequent the gymnasia. Yes, indeed, he said: according to present notions the proposal would be thought ridiculous. But then, I said, as we have determined to speak our minds, we must not fear the jests of the wits which will be directed against this sort of innovation; how they will talk of women's attainments both in music and gymnastic, and above all about their wearing armour and riding upon horseback!" makes me wonder if he'd had any exposure to Scyths, etc.? e.g. https://d30womf5coomej.cloudfront.net/c/d4/0cb93d1b-dc27-43dc-bc46-ed549fd6fa76.jpg https://d30womf5coomej.cloudfront.net/c/d4/0cb93d1b-dc27-43d... (from https://tapas.io/episode/1577942 https://tapas.io/episode/1577942 ) and compare http://www.math.uchicago.edu/~wald/lit/heroine_barbarian.html http://www.math.uchicago.edu/~wald/lit/heroine_barbarian.htm... (incidentally, "Who needs to wait for daylight? I just work by _sensus tactilis_." is a classical reference, but I recall neither poem nor author at the moment.)
      - ceilingcorner 6y ago
- bencollier49 6y ago
  Arguably the stuff from the Golden Age wasn't quite so much that way inclined.
  - C1sc0cat 6y ago
    We is 1920's
    - 082349872349872 6y ago
      According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Science_Fiction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Science_Fiction, the Golden Age was brief: 1938-1946.
Ygg2 6y ago
> posits a way out of our current doldrums using real technology I doubt that. Saying Solarpunk solves current problems is like saying Space Odyssey solves Hard AI. And for the record, dystopia can solve global warming. Just exterminate most of humanity. Solarpunk has been so far a blip in the sea of Cyberpunk and cyberpunk dystopias. This whole thing feels like marketing materials for Solarpunk + Religion.
xtiansimon 6y ago
I like the science fiction which doesn’t believe in fairy tales. Homo sapiens sapiens evolution over 5 million years conditioned to life on Earth—-so what’s out there? Solaris (2002) or Expanse book series scratch that itch. The horrific is a turn back to ourselves. Everything else is the shock of planetary ecosystems we did not evolve to survive in. Stephenson’s SevenEves has that same effect just in how hard it is to get off world in a hurry.

javert 6y ago

Yuck. I don't know how to categorize this kind of writing, exactly, but I recognize it when I see it. It's "intersectionalist," fixated on race, anti-capitalist, and written in a way that is very hard to understand. I'm not sure if that's done intentionally, or if it's actually easy to read for those with the proper training in modern-academic quasi-Marxist thought. It takes pride in being a little bit sloppy and not following the rules of grammar and writing. Maybe the right thing to call it is "critical theory?" Genuinely not sure, but that's probably about right.

anemoiac 6y ago
What exactly don’t you like about this type of writing?
- javert 6y ago
  Exactly the things I said in my previous comment. It may not have been clear that I dislike those things, but I do dislike them. I think they are ultimately anti-reason and anti-individualist, and also just in bad taste. Intentionally in bad taste, actually, but that's popular these days in niche parts of the radical left---again, yuck. This is the literary equivalent of the "fat is beautiful" movement. I think at least some of the authors who write this way would even be willing to agree to that statement.
  - TeaDrunk 6y ago
    Maybe you just personally can’t stand opinions you don’t agree with without finding it yucky? I mean, I have also have a subset of opinions I find yucky, so that’s reasonable, I’m just confused that you want to comment about how you find it such without actually adding in anything more than explaining what you don’t like.
    - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
      I actually love the core ideas of this piece, and I really don't like the style. The OP has a point, this is pretty like critical theory and shares some of the delighting in obscurities hidden in large words.

nkrisc 6y ago

Unrelated to the actual substance of the writing, I was completely mystified by this passage: > In truth, solarpunk is functional AF. The primary colors of its aura are red, orange, and yellow: Courageously compassionate, creatively scientific, and awakened interdependence. In many ways, it can be more rigorous than so-called “hard science fiction.” Don’t @ the messenger; I know science fiction is often shortened to SF but I don't know what AF is. The aura bit is completely baffling to me and seems like a non-sequitur, and the last sentence has a @ that I thought was a typo but I'm guessing maybe it wasn't. I feel like I'm not the intended audience here, despite enjoying science fiction.

corry 6y ago
AF = “as fuck”; the @ is used in reference to a direct message/mention or tweet - like “don’t tweet at me about this bro”.
greenonions 6y ago
I believe AF is commonly short for "as fuck". Also, "don't @" used here is something along the lines of "don't tag me in a post calling me out for my opinion". As for auras, I'm as lost as you.
eckza 6y ago
It's newspeak.
- Alekhine 6y ago
  Deviating from Standard English is not Newspeak.

Causality1 6y ago

Solar energy cities under the sea I'm beginning to pick up why this is an arts movement instead of a scientific movement.

mkoubaa 6y ago
It's called an example. How much of the other sub genres of science fiction had a story here or there that were completely off technically. try not to write off the whole group based on one example, please.
- Causality1 6y ago
  When you say that your genre is "harder than hard science fiction" and "functional AF" you destroy your own case by saying it has "primary aura colors of red, orange, and yellow."

motohagiography 6y ago

I think there's some merit in looking at what the effect of "x-punk," movements have on culture. The idea of punk itself was the DIY music aspect that moved into clothing and zines, and built an aesthetic that spawned a network of cafes and bars and really is a subculture. The idea of an anti-establishment movement is one that is really just vying for establishment influence by defecting from it instead of negotiating within it, but it's still very much a part of it. What I call "punk privilege," is that almost no punks were ever really poor, and it was a way for the poor to elevate themselves into an anti-middle class that was appendent to the middle class. In the 80's and 90's, punk and other subcultures were actually a path out of the underclass and into (the almost exclusively white) bohemian culture, and a way for technocratic up and comers to signify their skills. (e.g. "I'm so good the establishment tolerates my green hair") It's been through generations of co-opting, where now old punk aesthetics are a signal of membership in the new establishment, with pink and green haired people operating the administrative layers of academia and government, and the "real punk," that is, the independent creative networks that diverge from this new establishemnt are attracting outsiders and creating a primordial soup for the next wave of culture and innovation. What is surely true is that it will be a divergent reaction to the current establishment. I don't think this particular Solar punk aesthetic has enough grit to survive, but not being a part of it, it's not for me, it's for the people who do it and participate, which is ultimately what makes it punk.

082349872349872 6y ago
Punk isn't dead, it just inquires if it may play through... https://michaelazerrad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8347993c469e2015435dd41aa970c-pi https://michaelazerrad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8347993c469e20154... On the subject of white suburban punks, here's an open question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23361351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23361351 (I've tried writing Alex Cox. No joy.)

hosh 6y ago

Oh so that is what solarpunk is. I have been looking for fiction that can express the ideas and values for permaculture design. Been looking in the wrong places. Though I bet the solarpunk view is still a different than what I had in mind.

mensetmanusman 6y ago

Is culture software, or is culture the operating system?

mkoubaa 6y ago

There's a cool solarpunk video game and manga coming out called protodroid delta, inspired by MegaMan.