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> Let them decline rides without facing penalties by the platform. Does the model of IC have to imply that every ride is a new, independent contract? Is there

> Let them decline rides without facing penalties by the platform. Does the model of IC have to imply that every ride is a new, independent contract? Is there no other reasonable model in which multiple rides are part of one contract? Why?

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wtallis 6y ago
What would such a contract look like? How would Uber or Lyft hold up their end of a N-ride contract if they don't end up having enough riders that day?
- mehrdadn 6y ago
  > What would such a contract look like? The obvious answer: perhaps more similar to the way it looks like right now? I just don't see why IC implies "let them decline rides without facing penalties by the platform".
  - kelnos 6y ago
    I don't think it directly implies that, but I think many of the policies in place chip away at things that should be a part of an IC's experience. Imposing penalties from declining rides means that their power to set rates is reduced.
ttymck 6y ago
What does the alternative look like? A contract for 10 rides? A contract for one week at a time? What if the driver wants to serve one ride, and then never again: what contract models allow that single ride to fulfill a "contract"?
- Swizec 6y ago
  The alternative is traditionally called a retainer. You hire the contractor for “various tasks over a set period of time up to N tasks and at least M tasks” This is the indie version of being salaried. Very common among software engineers, for example.
- fooker 6y ago
  Contracts can be pretty arbitrary. "Independent contractor -- except can't turn down a ride."
  - ng12 6y ago
    Great, next time I take a consulting gig I'll be sure to turn down the jira tickets I don't want to do.
    - CarbyAu 6y ago
      If you were to have a separate contract for every Jira ticket that would be your call to make. Unusual, but fine.
      - prepend 6y ago
        First, Uber doesn’t have separate contracts for every ride. If a contractor had a contract to accept or decline every jira ticket (although I don’t see anyone ever forming that contract), if they declines too many tickets they would no longer have the option to pick.
  - SubuSS 6y ago
    Could this be simply solved by having their star rating influenced by % ride drops? Uber can provide its price estimate as just that - a kelly blue book value so that riders can compare and contrast? Most customers will search for a range of rating + price - so the market can regulate itself. I mean we accept amazon displaying user ratings - so I don't know why this won't work.

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wtallis 6y ago

What would such a contract look like? How would Uber or Lyft hold up their end of a N-ride contract if they don't end up having enough riders that day?

mehrdadn 6y ago
> What would such a contract look like? The obvious answer: perhaps more similar to the way it looks like right now? I just don't see why IC implies "let them decline rides without facing penalties by the platform".
- kelnos 6y ago
  I don't think it directly implies that, but I think many of the policies in place chip away at things that should be a part of an IC's experience. Imposing penalties from declining rides means that their power to set rates is reduced.

ttymck 6y ago

What does the alternative look like? A contract for 10 rides? A contract for one week at a time? What if the driver wants to serve one ride, and then never again: what contract models allow that single ride to fulfill a "contract"?

Swizec 6y ago
The alternative is traditionally called a retainer. You hire the contractor for “various tasks over a set period of time up to N tasks and at least M tasks” This is the indie version of being salaried. Very common among software engineers, for example.
fooker 6y ago
Contracts can be pretty arbitrary. "Independent contractor -- except can't turn down a ride."
- ng12 6y ago
  Great, next time I take a consulting gig I'll be sure to turn down the jira tickets I don't want to do.
  - CarbyAu 6y ago
    If you were to have a separate contract for every Jira ticket that would be your call to make. Unusual, but fine.
    - prepend 6y ago
      First, Uber doesn’t have separate contracts for every ride. If a contractor had a contract to accept or decline every jira ticket (although I don’t see anyone ever forming that contract), if they declines too many tickets they would no longer have the option to pick.
- SubuSS 6y ago
  Could this be simply solved by having their star rating influenced by % ride drops? Uber can provide its price estimate as just that - a kelly blue book value so that riders can compare and contrast? Most customers will search for a range of rating + price - so the market can regulate itself. I mean we accept amazon displaying user ratings - so I don't know why this won't work.