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And yet, Uber and Lyft have reduced drunk driving rates, provided mobility to thousands of people who otherwise may not have it, and generally made life easier

And yet, Uber and Lyft have reduced drunk driving rates, provided mobility to thousands of people who otherwise may not have it, and generally made life easier for millions, if not billions, of people around the world. It's almost like one can enrich themselves while helping others.

AgloeDreams 6y ago
Nothing is stopping a regulated Uber/Lyft from doing this without underpaying workers. Minimum wage laws exist for a reason, after standard IRS tax deductions Uber and Lyft pay WAY under minimum wage.
- weyland108 6y ago
  This is not about minimum wage. It’s about gig work. There is quite a few people who like to do this part time. I think the real crux of the issue is health benefits. If you are not working full time you don’t get health insurance and that drives most laws like these which seem misdirected.
  - twobeararms 6y ago
    I think that's where a lot of people really overlook this. I'd be curious to see the percentages of 'full time' drivers vs gig drivers. Plenty of drivers I know just work this a couple hours a day to help cover cost of a new car or for beer money. It's not intended to support full time work. Like a small protein bar isn't meant to be a meal replacement. I wonder if Uber/Lyft should have fought the amount of time or rides that somebody can complete per day as a means to keep it really classified as a gig whereas they've set themselves up by allowing people to attempt to be full time drivers.
- idoh 6y ago
  “Underpaying” workers. There are many long term Lyft / Uber / Instacart contractors out there. They have communities, share tips, etc. They seem fairly well educated on how much they are getting, and decide its worth it to tghem. How can you say they are underpaid?
davrosthedalek 6y ago
Exploiting one part of the population is often beneficial for the other part of the population. Doesn't make it OK though.
AlexandrB 6y ago
You forgot: increased traffic[1] in already congested cities and tried to cover up rape and sexual assaults[2][3]. [1] https://www.npr.org/2019/05/08/721139488/uber-and-lyft-caused-major-traffic-uptick-in-san-francisco-study-says https://www.npr.org/2019/05/08/721139488/uber-and-lyft-cause... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/business/lyft-sexual-assault-lawsuit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/business/lyft-sexual-assa... [3] https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/uber-silences-women-sexual-assaults_n_5af5dfb5e4b0e57cd9f94ede?ri18n=true https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/uber-silences-women-sexu...

AgloeDreams 6y ago

Nothing is stopping a regulated Uber/Lyft from doing this without underpaying workers. Minimum wage laws exist for a reason, after standard IRS tax deductions Uber and Lyft pay WAY under minimum wage.

weyland108 6y ago
This is not about minimum wage. It’s about gig work. There is quite a few people who like to do this part time. I think the real crux of the issue is health benefits. If you are not working full time you don’t get health insurance and that drives most laws like these which seem misdirected.
- twobeararms 6y ago
  I think that's where a lot of people really overlook this. I'd be curious to see the percentages of 'full time' drivers vs gig drivers. Plenty of drivers I know just work this a couple hours a day to help cover cost of a new car or for beer money. It's not intended to support full time work. Like a small protein bar isn't meant to be a meal replacement. I wonder if Uber/Lyft should have fought the amount of time or rides that somebody can complete per day as a means to keep it really classified as a gig whereas they've set themselves up by allowing people to attempt to be full time drivers.
idoh 6y ago
“Underpaying” workers. There are many long term Lyft / Uber / Instacart contractors out there. They have communities, share tips, etc. They seem fairly well educated on how much they are getting, and decide its worth it to tghem. How can you say they are underpaid?

davrosthedalek 6y ago

Exploiting one part of the population is often beneficial for the other part of the population. Doesn't make it OK though.

AlexandrB 6y ago

You forgot: increased traffic[1] in already congested cities and tried to cover up rape and sexual assaults[2][3]. [1] https://www.npr.org/2019/05/08/721139488/uber-and-lyft-caused-major-traffic-uptick-in-san-francisco-study-says https://www.npr.org/2019/05/08/721139488/uber-and-lyft-cause... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/business/lyft-sexual-assault-lawsuit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/business/lyft-sexual-assa... [3] https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/uber-silences-women-sexual-assaults_n_5af5dfb5e4b0e57cd9f94ede?ri18n=true https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/uber-silences-women-sexu...