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How much thin film PV is that? There's no wind and the solar constant is a lot higher in space even further from the sun. Also remember that space is not dark.

by api 6y ago

How much thin film PV is that? There's no wind and the solar constant is a lot higher in space even further from the sun. Also remember that space is not dark. Unless you are behind something you are always in daylight if you are near a star.

Majromax 6y ago
The linked article also makes a comparison with the ISS solar arrays, which provide 120kW of power. They're not the most efficient panels out there, but it's hard to make up three orders of magnitude.
adrianN 6y ago
On Earth a commercial solar panel produces around 150W per square meter peak. I don't think you can improve this by more than an order of magnitude. Solar power drops off with the square of the distance to the sun. 200MW is a lot of solar panels.
- ben_w 6y ago
  Not by a factor of ten, but you can get 47.1% of the sunlight (which at 1 AU with no atmosphere is 1360 W/m^2), or 640 W/m^2. Even then, 200 MW is a square 560 meters on each side.
a_crc 6y ago
It's a lot of solar panel. A quick search gives us a figure of 220 watts of power per square meter of space based solar panel. This would mean a 200MW solar collector would need to be almost a million square meters in size. For reference that would be a square the length of 155 NYC city blocks on each side.
- api 6y ago
  Hmm... or maybe some smaller panels plus a really enormous and very very thin reflective collector for concentrating solar. Keep in mind that things can be very thin in space. It would still weigh a lot though, and heat would be a major issue. You wouldn't want to melt the solar panels. This would require someone much more knowledgable to determine if it's feasible. Edit: I wonder if you'd get some amount of solar sail effect in addition to the plasma rocket? Of course this would help you one way and hurt you the other way.
- codeduck 6y ago
  A million square metres is one square kilometre. It could be built but it would be heavy. A circular sail with a radius of just over 600 metres would do it.
  - chasd00 6y ago
    wouldn't a million square metered be a megametre and not kilometre?
    - codeduck 6y ago
      no. 1000m * 1000m = 1000000m^2 or 1 km^2
- SECProto 6y ago
  > A quick search gives us a figure of 220 watts of power per square meter of space based solar panel. This would mean a 200MW solar collector would need to be almost a million square meters in size. For reference that would be a square the length of 155 NYC city blocks on each side. 200MW/(220w/m2) gives us an area of 1,000,000m^2, a square 1000m on each side. (side note: a NYC block isn't a very good length reference - they vary[1] from 250ft to 750ft depending which direction you're measuring. So the square would be 4 to 12 blocks on each side) [1] https://streeteasy.com/blog/how-many-nyc-blocks-are-in-one-mile/ https://streeteasy.com/blog/how-many-nyc-blocks-are-in-one-m...
- jcims 6y ago
  That's if it's illuminated by the sun. Blast it with a 500MW space-based laser and you'll up the tempo.

by api 6y ago

Majromax 6y ago

The linked article also makes a comparison with the ISS solar arrays, which provide 120kW of power. They're not the most efficient panels out there, but it's hard to make up three orders of magnitude.

adrianN 6y ago

On Earth a commercial solar panel produces around 150W per square meter peak. I don't think you can improve this by more than an order of magnitude. Solar power drops off with the square of the distance to the sun. 200MW is a lot of solar panels.

ben_w 6y ago
Not by a factor of ten, but you can get 47.1% of the sunlight (which at 1 AU with no atmosphere is 1360 W/m^2), or 640 W/m^2. Even then, 200 MW is a square 560 meters on each side.

a_crc 6y ago

It's a lot of solar panel. A quick search gives us a figure of 220 watts of power per square meter of space based solar panel. This would mean a 200MW solar collector would need to be almost a million square meters in size. For reference that would be a square the length of 155 NYC city blocks on each side.

api 6y ago
Hmm... or maybe some smaller panels plus a really enormous and very very thin reflective collector for concentrating solar. Keep in mind that things can be very thin in space. It would still weigh a lot though, and heat would be a major issue. You wouldn't want to melt the solar panels. This would require someone much more knowledgable to determine if it's feasible. Edit: I wonder if you'd get some amount of solar sail effect in addition to the plasma rocket? Of course this would help you one way and hurt you the other way.
codeduck 6y ago
A million square metres is one square kilometre. It could be built but it would be heavy. A circular sail with a radius of just over 600 metres would do it.
- chasd00 6y ago
  wouldn't a million square metered be a megametre and not kilometre?
  - codeduck 6y ago
    no. 1000m * 1000m = 1000000m^2 or 1 km^2
SECProto 6y ago
> A quick search gives us a figure of 220 watts of power per square meter of space based solar panel. This would mean a 200MW solar collector would need to be almost a million square meters in size. For reference that would be a square the length of 155 NYC city blocks on each side. 200MW/(220w/m2) gives us an area of 1,000,000m^2, a square 1000m on each side. (side note: a NYC block isn't a very good length reference - they vary[1] from 250ft to 750ft depending which direction you're measuring. So the square would be 4 to 12 blocks on each side) [1] https://streeteasy.com/blog/how-many-nyc-blocks-are-in-one-mile/ https://streeteasy.com/blog/how-many-nyc-blocks-are-in-one-m...
jcims 6y ago
That's if it's illuminated by the sun. Blast it with a 500MW space-based laser and you'll up the tempo.