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So in those 50% antibody areas in this unethical experiment we gain the knowledge, if herd immunity is possible, I guess. Or - if it's like the flu - USA just g

by sod 6y ago

So in those 50% antibody areas in this unethical experiment we gain the knowledge, if herd immunity is possible, I guess. Or - if it's like the flu - USA just gradually weeds out everyone that can't handle this specific disease while still rotating seasonal waves for everyone else.

collyw 6y ago
You seem skeptical about herd immunity being a thing. This video discusses studies showing that immunity should be long lasting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Z6wdu1eI0&t=270s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Z6wdu1eI0&t=270s
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- sod 6y ago
  > the antibodies might not last for more than three or four months He says a few seconds into your timestamp. Thank you for trying to soothe my thoughts. But now I'm even more concerned. Wouldn't that render a vaccine pretty useless if it's gone after 4 months?
  - rightbyte 6y ago
    Not really if you give it to risk groups and nursing home staff during flu season you can probably cut the waves alot.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    It's believed that it'll persist through what's known as T-cell immunity, where your body doesn't have antibodies just hanging around but can produce them much more quickly in response to an infection. So the vaccine should still be effective in the long term at reducing the impact of the disease. If you're thinking of the vaccine as a tool to ensure people can't get infected at all, then yeah, it won't be useful for that purpose. The goal isn't to eradicate the virus, just to get it under control so it's not such a huge public health concern.
  - FanaHOVA 6y ago
    You just take it every 4 months. Why is it useless?
    - monadic2 6y ago
      This is not how antibodies work!
  - monadic2 6y ago
    Antibodies simply teach memory cells, which is what gives you the secondary (long-lasting) immune response. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_B_cell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_B_cell Still, it's an absolutely brutal way to handle the virus and it's accepting deaths on the order of large wars.
    - redis_mlc 6y ago
      > Still, it's an absolutely brutal way to handle the virus and it's accepting deaths on the order of large wars. So just like the last million years of human history?
    - collyw 6y ago
      Yet we handle influenza that way every year. Covid is a worse virus, but not orders of magnitude worse.
  - collyw 6y ago
    There are more than just antibodies involved in the immune response. (It wasn't my intention to timestamp the video, I just grabbed what was in the url bar).

by sod 6y ago

collyw 6y ago

You seem skeptical about herd immunity being a thing. This video discusses studies showing that immunity should be long lasting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Z6wdu1eI0&t=270s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Z6wdu1eI0&t=270s

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sod 6y ago
> the antibodies might not last for more than three or four months He says a few seconds into your timestamp. Thank you for trying to soothe my thoughts. But now I'm even more concerned. Wouldn't that render a vaccine pretty useless if it's gone after 4 months?
- rightbyte 6y ago
  Not really if you give it to risk groups and nursing home staff during flu season you can probably cut the waves alot.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  It's believed that it'll persist through what's known as T-cell immunity, where your body doesn't have antibodies just hanging around but can produce them much more quickly in response to an infection. So the vaccine should still be effective in the long term at reducing the impact of the disease. If you're thinking of the vaccine as a tool to ensure people can't get infected at all, then yeah, it won't be useful for that purpose. The goal isn't to eradicate the virus, just to get it under control so it's not such a huge public health concern.
- FanaHOVA 6y ago
  You just take it every 4 months. Why is it useless?
  - monadic2 6y ago
    This is not how antibodies work!
- monadic2 6y ago
  Antibodies simply teach memory cells, which is what gives you the secondary (long-lasting) immune response. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_B_cell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_B_cell Still, it's an absolutely brutal way to handle the virus and it's accepting deaths on the order of large wars.
  - redis_mlc 6y ago
    > Still, it's an absolutely brutal way to handle the virus and it's accepting deaths on the order of large wars. So just like the last million years of human history?
  - collyw 6y ago
    Yet we handle influenza that way every year. Covid is a worse virus, but not orders of magnitude worse.
- collyw 6y ago
  There are more than just antibodies involved in the immune response. (It wasn't my intention to timestamp the video, I just grabbed what was in the url bar).