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> The issue is that nobody is entitled to anything. That's an ideological statement. You may subscribe to it, but not everyone has to. Society is fundamentally

> The issue is that nobody is entitled to anything. That's an ideological statement. You may subscribe to it, but not everyone has to. Society is fundamentally based on the notion of shared rights and duties, what these rights and duties entail can be up for debate, but if you don't want to owe anyone, you will have to live a pretty lonely, primitive existance in Siberia or Alaska.

dependenttypes 6y ago
> a pretty lonely Nowadays with the internet one does not need to be lonely even if they are away from society. In addition others might decide to follow them. > primitive existance in Siberia or Alaska. This does not make much sense. Why would living somewhere else automatically give them any duties? Anyway, I do not see the point of this argument. It is like saying to a gay person "if you don't want to be discriminated by anyone, you will have to live a pretty lonely, primitive existance in Siberia or Alaska."
- frenchyatwork 6y ago
  > Nowadays with the internet one does not need to be lonely even if they are away from society. How are you going to pay for the internet? If you want to operate with state currency, you need to abide by the rules of the state. Render unto Caesar ... Edit: I suppose you could try doing it with bitcoin. Best of luck if you try!
  - dependenttypes 6y ago
    Guess we have to give up on trying to protect our freedoms. After all living alone is bad, right? Time to forget all the issues regarding privacy too, after all in order to not be tracked by facebook we have to live in siberia.
Press2forEN 6y ago
> Society is fundamentally based on the notion of shared rights and duties This statement is equally ideological. Proximity to others imparts no responsibility outside what individuals choose to take on for themselves. You may subscribe to it, but not everyone has to. Most of our social unrest today can be laid at the feet of those who insist otherwise.
- dang 6y ago
  We've banned this account for using HN primarily for political battle. That's against the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
kevin_b_er 6y ago
And the end result is the lack of a right to life. For life requires sustenance. And if there's too few with all the resources, you are denied the right to life. As a result, I can consider a libertarian to be genocidal. For they would be mostly fine with a Holodomor.
robotresearcher 6y ago
Ironic choice of hermitage, since if you live in Alaska, you're entitled to free money from a communal fund. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund

dependenttypes 6y ago

> a pretty lonely Nowadays with the internet one does not need to be lonely even if they are away from society. In addition others might decide to follow them. > primitive existance in Siberia or Alaska. This does not make much sense. Why would living somewhere else automatically give them any duties? Anyway, I do not see the point of this argument. It is like saying to a gay person "if you don't want to be discriminated by anyone, you will have to live a pretty lonely, primitive existance in Siberia or Alaska."

frenchyatwork 6y ago
> Nowadays with the internet one does not need to be lonely even if they are away from society. How are you going to pay for the internet? If you want to operate with state currency, you need to abide by the rules of the state. Render unto Caesar ... Edit: I suppose you could try doing it with bitcoin. Best of luck if you try!
- dependenttypes 6y ago
  Guess we have to give up on trying to protect our freedoms. After all living alone is bad, right? Time to forget all the issues regarding privacy too, after all in order to not be tracked by facebook we have to live in siberia.

Press2forEN 6y ago

> Society is fundamentally based on the notion of shared rights and duties This statement is equally ideological. Proximity to others imparts no responsibility outside what individuals choose to take on for themselves. You may subscribe to it, but not everyone has to. Most of our social unrest today can be laid at the feet of those who insist otherwise.

dang 6y ago
We've banned this account for using HN primarily for political battle. That's against the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

kevin_b_er 6y ago

And the end result is the lack of a right to life. For life requires sustenance. And if there's too few with all the resources, you are denied the right to life. As a result, I can consider a libertarian to be genocidal. For they would be mostly fine with a Holodomor.

robotresearcher 6y ago

Ironic choice of hermitage, since if you live in Alaska, you're entitled to free money from a communal fund. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund