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>> 1. Among their neighbors, only Germany has more deaths than Sweden. Norway, Denmark and Finland have fewer almost an order of magnitude less cases and deaths
by bazzert 6y ago
>> 1. Among their neighbors, only Germany has more deaths than Sweden. Norway, Denmark and Finland have fewer almost an order of magnitude less cases and deaths.
Geographic comparisons are of limited usefulness; MA had 10x the death rate of near neighbors NH,VT& ME. There are too many other factors to consider. Sweden still did better than UK, France, Spain, Italy and many others.
>> 2. Despite not being government sanctioned, people still chose to self isolate meaning that the still suffered the economic fallout of that decision. Turns out, a global pandemic is bad for business whether or not your government decides to shut everything down.
Mobility data would suggest otherwise; no masks, kids still in school etc. Life has continued with some restrictions. We could have done the same with similar outcomes. Economy definitely took a hit, but less so than other eurorzone countries.
>> There is no metric by which Sweden is doing any better than anyone else, and is doing a lot worse than their neighbors.
The fact that the pandemic is effectively done in Sweden is one. We still dont have an exit strategy.
- entropicdrifter 6y ago>>The fact that the pandemic is effectively done in Sweden is one. Acting like this is a foregone conclusion is the height of arrogance. Diseases spread in waves. They could just be at the low point between two waves. We won't know until years from now. Just asserting you're right when there are still this many unknown factors smacks of someone looking for data after coming to a conclusion.
- bazzert 6y ago>> We won't know until years from now. fair point, but do you know that the under 65 excess deaths metrics for Sweden is already almost identical to previous years ie. if you were looking at the charts you would not even know they had a pandemic. I suspect "years from now" looking at the US metrics it will be similar.
- drran 6y agoDeath rate is depended on level of D3 vitamin in blood. Wait for winter first.
- imtringued 6y agoThis is a very specific claim. I don't doubt you but something like this should always be backed up with sources or people will dismiss you immediately.
- drran 6y agoSee https://borsche.de/res/Vitamin_D_Essentials_EN.pdf https://borsche.de/res/Vitamin_D_Essentials_EN.pdf
- thebruce87m 6y agoHere are charts of excess mortality: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ You can clearly see excess mortality for Sweden, higher than previous years. Edit: missed the under 65 bit, would be interested in seeing that data for Sweden, but you can see the collated graphs for all the countries that contribute and you definitely can spot spikes in the lower age ranges.
- thebruce87m 6y agoSweden isn’t doing better than France according to the “official” numbers. Of course actual excess mortality would be better to look at. Deaths per 100k: Norway: 4.9 Finland: 6 ... France: 46.8 Sweden: 57.6 Italy 58.6 U.K.: 61.1 Spain: 61.7 https://studylib.net/coronavirus https://studylib.net/coronavirus