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It's been a while since I've seen mention of actuarial analyses of the pandemic vs lockdowns. Could millions of people with muscle atrophy cause more economic

It's been a while since I've seen mention of actuarial analyses of the pandemic vs lockdowns. Could millions of people with muscle atrophy cause more economic harm?

reaperducer 6y ago
Could millions of people with muscle atrophy cause more economic harm? Who cares? Why is "economic" harm so important? I'm really tired of people saying "But what about the economy?" I really don't care. I care about my health and the health of my family members. If some artisan dog biscuit company goes out of business, so be it.
- mam2 6y ago
  people need money to eat. 60% of americans have 0 savings. It's not just about you
  - reaperducer 6y ago
    You can't earn money to eat and go to the gym if the hospitals are overflowing with virus victims and society collapses.
    - yryan 6y ago
      Hospitals are not overflowing.
      - deleted 6y ago
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- abduhl 6y ago
  I'm really tired of people saying "But what about my health?" I really don't care. I care about my job and the businesses of my family members. If some work from home keyboard jockey gets sick because they left their house instead of locking themselves inside, so be it.
- jdminhbg 6y ago
  > Why is "economic" harm so important? The "economy" is just our way of measuring what people do for themselves and others all day. "Some artisan dog biscuit company" is someone else's lifelong work and dream, not just a number in a spreadsheet. Minimizing may make you feel better about selfishly demanding everyone turn their lives off, but it's not an accurate representation of the world.
- missedthecue 6y ago
  That's fine. The problem people have is when the government bans the dog biscuit company from operating for arbitrary reasons and they go under
hanniabu 6y ago
Lockdown doesn't mean muscle atrophy. You can still do a lot at home even without equipment. Besides, if you want to continue to assume it causes muscle atrophy, then compare a population with muscle atrophy to a population with (likely) permanent organ damage due to a vascular disease (covid).
- partyboat1586 6y ago
  Have you got any sources on covid causing vascular disease? I haven't heard about that.
  - alistairSH 6y ago
    Early days yet, but medical professionals are seeing cases of myocarditis that appears to follow COVID. Whether or not this leads to ling-term damage is unknown, but myocarditis isn't generally something you ignore. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/opinion/covid-19-heart-disease.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/opinion/covid-19-heart-di... https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/08/17/covid-19-can-cause-heart-damageeven-if-you-are-asymptomatic/#747142126cef https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/08/17/covid-...
    - partyboat1586 6y ago
      Wow, sounds pretty serious. I experienced some of those symptoms in March after a particularly bad respiratory infection. Perhaps it's time to get an antibody test.
  - saalweachter 6y ago
    https://hms.harvard.edu/news/distinctive-features#:~:text=While%20caused%20by%20a%20respiratory,been%20observed%20in%20many%20patients https://hms.harvard.edu/news/distinctive-features#:~:text=Wh.... That's the first article that shows for googling [covid-19 vascular disease]. Basically my understanding of the current understanding is that COVID-19 is better thought of as a disease that can cause blood clots, particularly in several organ systems, particularly in the lungs -- you start getting blood clots in your lungs and consequently can't breathe very well.
alistairSH 6y ago
How does a lockdown cause muscle atrophy? If muscle mass or fitness is a concern, work out at home. Or outside. Ride a bike, go for a run, do some pushups. Pick up large rocks. Buy a squat rack or rowing machine. Go climb a mountain. Access to a gym is absolutely not required to maintain fitness.

It's been a while since I've seen mention of actuarial analyses of the pandemic vs lockdowns. Could millions of people with muscle atrophy cause more economic harm?

reaperducer 6y ago

Could millions of people with muscle atrophy cause more economic harm? Who cares? Why is "economic" harm so important? I'm really tired of people saying "But what about the economy?" I really don't care. I care about my health and the health of my family members. If some artisan dog biscuit company goes out of business, so be it.

mam2 6y ago
people need money to eat. 60% of americans have 0 savings. It's not just about you
- reaperducer 6y ago
  You can't earn money to eat and go to the gym if the hospitals are overflowing with virus victims and society collapses.
  - yryan 6y ago
    Hospitals are not overflowing.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
abduhl 6y ago
I'm really tired of people saying "But what about my health?" I really don't care. I care about my job and the businesses of my family members. If some work from home keyboard jockey gets sick because they left their house instead of locking themselves inside, so be it.
jdminhbg 6y ago
> Why is "economic" harm so important? The "economy" is just our way of measuring what people do for themselves and others all day. "Some artisan dog biscuit company" is someone else's lifelong work and dream, not just a number in a spreadsheet. Minimizing may make you feel better about selfishly demanding everyone turn their lives off, but it's not an accurate representation of the world.
missedthecue 6y ago
That's fine. The problem people have is when the government bans the dog biscuit company from operating for arbitrary reasons and they go under

hanniabu 6y ago

Lockdown doesn't mean muscle atrophy. You can still do a lot at home even without equipment. Besides, if you want to continue to assume it causes muscle atrophy, then compare a population with muscle atrophy to a population with (likely) permanent organ damage due to a vascular disease (covid).

partyboat1586 6y ago
Have you got any sources on covid causing vascular disease? I haven't heard about that.
- alistairSH 6y ago
  Early days yet, but medical professionals are seeing cases of myocarditis that appears to follow COVID. Whether or not this leads to ling-term damage is unknown, but myocarditis isn't generally something you ignore. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/opinion/covid-19-heart-disease.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/opinion/covid-19-heart-di... https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/08/17/covid-19-can-cause-heart-damageeven-if-you-are-asymptomatic/#747142126cef https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/08/17/covid-...
  - partyboat1586 6y ago
    Wow, sounds pretty serious. I experienced some of those symptoms in March after a particularly bad respiratory infection. Perhaps it's time to get an antibody test.
- saalweachter 6y ago
  https://hms.harvard.edu/news/distinctive-features#:~:text=While%20caused%20by%20a%20respiratory,been%20observed%20in%20many%20patients https://hms.harvard.edu/news/distinctive-features#:~:text=Wh.... That's the first article that shows for googling [covid-19 vascular disease]. Basically my understanding of the current understanding is that COVID-19 is better thought of as a disease that can cause blood clots, particularly in several organ systems, particularly in the lungs -- you start getting blood clots in your lungs and consequently can't breathe very well.

alistairSH 6y ago

How does a lockdown cause muscle atrophy? If muscle mass or fitness is a concern, work out at home. Or outside. Ride a bike, go for a run, do some pushups. Pick up large rocks. Buy a squat rack or rowing machine. Go climb a mountain. Access to a gym is absolutely not required to maintain fitness.