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My monitor, mouse and keyboard don't require any accounts (yet?), why does a device with two monitors and motion sensors require it?

throwaway2048 6y ago
If those devices were invented in 2020 you can be certain they would all be "platforms" with monthly subscriptions. They would also have nonstop rabid defenders on social media.
willcipriano 6y ago
>My monitor, mouse and keyboard don't require any accounts (yet?) I take it you don't have any Razer devices.
- georgeecollins 6y ago
  The Razer accounts are in no way mandatory. They just have an app that auto-updates drivers (and probably does a lot of data mining) but you don't need to use it to use the device. It is a funny comment though, I laughed when I read it.
  - Lammy 6y ago
    And the Facebook account was in no way mandatory for Oculus until today's announcement we're commenting on. What's your point?
  - mschuster91 6y ago
    > They just have an app that auto-updates drivers (and probably does a lot of data mining) but you don't need to use it to use the device Uh, yeah, updating drivers for mice. Just WTF? I get that it makes sense to have a capability of correcting bugs, but that should not require an app.
  - TillE 6y ago
    My Razer mouse is basically broken (it's not that the sensitivity is too high, it's just...completely off) until you install and log in with their app. Only after you log in is the mouse movement fixed. I would never buy another Razer product, specifically because of this.
    - tenryuu 6y ago
      I have Razer Synapse installed right now, I am not logged into the service but I am still able to make configurations. Don't know what issue you're having. I would feel the same way if this was an issue though
      - stronglikedan 6y ago
        > I would feel the same way if this was an issue though It was: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/razer-synapse-3-removes-login-requirement,39344.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/razer-synapse-3-removes-lo...
        tenryuu 6y ago
        Oh wow, this was only a few months before I bought my hardware. I've been using a Naga since the first model and had it replaced in 2014. I guess I just got a bit lucky on my timing. The old hardware was really bad at trying to force Synapse on you too, used to even appear during Window 10 upgrades. It would be great if they used the additional on board macro profiles as an 'out of the box' way of adjusting the mouse without software. You nerd the software to change mouse button 4/5 to native actions, otherwise it's just dpi control.
    - corobo 6y ago
      Are they still storing your mouse settings online? I got rid of my Razer mouse as my custom key settings wouldn't kick in for about 5 minutes after each reboot
  - wlesieutre 6y ago
    I don't know about Razer recently, but I have a 13 button Logitech mouse (G700s) and it would be essentially useless without the Logitech software to configure it. I assume Razer mice are the same, you could technically use them without Synapse, but if you're doing that you may as well have bought a Microsoft Intellimouse instead. And Synapse did require a login for several years. Looks like it doesn't anymore, thankfully: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/razer-synapse-3-removes-login-requirement,39344.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/razer-synapse-3-removes-lo... Personal mouse experience, I had two Razers that died right outside warranty, while my Logitech is at >6 years. Those were before their driver shenanigans, but the drivers aren't even the main reason I wouldn't switch back.
    - bt1a 6y ago
      I recommend anyone with Synapse use your firewall to block all of their services from interacting with the Internet. I noticed Synapse was consuming a lot of CPU/network. I'm definitely never going to buy a Razer mouse again, I'll probably get a Zowie.
    - daxelrod 6y ago
      I'm not sure if this is true for the G700s, but many other Logitech mice store the configuration on the device itself, which lets you configure it once and then get rid of the software or use it on computers or OSes where you've never installed the software. This is true for my G502.
      - wlesieutre 6y ago
        It's true for a single configuration, but not if you want to bind different keys per program with the "Automatic Game Detection" mode. I mainly use one profile for games and set any keybinds I need in each one, but I've used automatic game detection for other software like repurposing the DPI adjustment buttons for quick shortcuts to blender's popup radial menus.
        daxelrod 6y ago
        Ah, gotcha. The G502 stores something like 5 modes and has a mode switcher button on the mouse, but I could see the convenience of wanting automatic switching per program.
  - nottorp 6y ago
    No shit. I can't configure the lights on my former razer mouse without logging in. Must be why I'm using a Steelseries now. Edit: Apparently they gave up on that idiotic requirement. Sorry Razer, too late. Not touching your products ever again. Edit 2: And since we're actually talking about Oculus, for me it died when they sold to Facebook. You needed to be pretty naive to think it won't come down to this in the long run.
  - young_unixer 6y ago
    They absolutely are necessary if you want to disable or configure lighting, change DPI, acceleration, etc. I will never buy a Razer product again.
  - duskwuff 6y ago
    > (and probably does a lot of data mining) Not just data, either. A year ago or so, Razer was pushing a cryptocurrency miner along with their driver package: https://www.razer.com/eu-en/softminer https://www.razer.com/eu-en/softminer
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- abstractbarista 6y ago
  I've used a Razer mouse for ages solely on a Linux machine. Never made an account. Only used Windows initially to set my preferred LED lighting option via their crappy app.
zamalek 6y ago
Because Facebook needs your data. And it's incredibly creepy. Movement just feels like an extremely intimate piece of data.
- dividido 6y ago
  Agreed. Luckily my favorite purchases are on steam and 2 years gives me plenty of time to move on from my rift. I'm not going to be forced to use facebook. Last thing I need is a remote exploit on my tracking cameras and facebook telling them exactly who and where I am.
- whywhywhywhy 6y ago
  They manage to harvest my data just fine in Instagram and WhatsApp without having to login using Facebook
mortehu 6y ago
Oculus Quest is actually a complete gaming console, which is why you can use it for untethered play. You can buy and install games on it.
ccktlmazeltov 6y ago
to track what games you bought and downloaded so you can download them again if your device breaks?
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throwaway2048 6y ago

If those devices were invented in 2020 you can be certain they would all be "platforms" with monthly subscriptions. They would also have nonstop rabid defenders on social media.

willcipriano 6y ago

>My monitor, mouse and keyboard don't require any accounts (yet?) I take it you don't have any Razer devices.

georgeecollins 6y ago
The Razer accounts are in no way mandatory. They just have an app that auto-updates drivers (and probably does a lot of data mining) but you don't need to use it to use the device. It is a funny comment though, I laughed when I read it.
- Lammy 6y ago
  And the Facebook account was in no way mandatory for Oculus until today's announcement we're commenting on. What's your point?
- mschuster91 6y ago
  > They just have an app that auto-updates drivers (and probably does a lot of data mining) but you don't need to use it to use the device Uh, yeah, updating drivers for mice. Just WTF? I get that it makes sense to have a capability of correcting bugs, but that should not require an app.
- TillE 6y ago
  My Razer mouse is basically broken (it's not that the sensitivity is too high, it's just...completely off) until you install and log in with their app. Only after you log in is the mouse movement fixed. I would never buy another Razer product, specifically because of this.
  - tenryuu 6y ago
    I have Razer Synapse installed right now, I am not logged into the service but I am still able to make configurations. Don't know what issue you're having. I would feel the same way if this was an issue though
    - stronglikedan 6y ago
      > I would feel the same way if this was an issue though It was: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/razer-synapse-3-removes-login-requirement,39344.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/razer-synapse-3-removes-lo...
      - tenryuu 6y ago
        Oh wow, this was only a few months before I bought my hardware. I've been using a Naga since the first model and had it replaced in 2014. I guess I just got a bit lucky on my timing. The old hardware was really bad at trying to force Synapse on you too, used to even appear during Window 10 upgrades. It would be great if they used the additional on board macro profiles as an 'out of the box' way of adjusting the mouse without software. You nerd the software to change mouse button 4/5 to native actions, otherwise it's just dpi control.
  - corobo 6y ago
    Are they still storing your mouse settings online? I got rid of my Razer mouse as my custom key settings wouldn't kick in for about 5 minutes after each reboot
- wlesieutre 6y ago
  I don't know about Razer recently, but I have a 13 button Logitech mouse (G700s) and it would be essentially useless without the Logitech software to configure it. I assume Razer mice are the same, you could technically use them without Synapse, but if you're doing that you may as well have bought a Microsoft Intellimouse instead. And Synapse did require a login for several years. Looks like it doesn't anymore, thankfully: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/razer-synapse-3-removes-login-requirement,39344.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/razer-synapse-3-removes-lo... Personal mouse experience, I had two Razers that died right outside warranty, while my Logitech is at >6 years. Those were before their driver shenanigans, but the drivers aren't even the main reason I wouldn't switch back.
  - bt1a 6y ago
    I recommend anyone with Synapse use your firewall to block all of their services from interacting with the Internet. I noticed Synapse was consuming a lot of CPU/network. I'm definitely never going to buy a Razer mouse again, I'll probably get a Zowie.
  - daxelrod 6y ago
    I'm not sure if this is true for the G700s, but many other Logitech mice store the configuration on the device itself, which lets you configure it once and then get rid of the software or use it on computers or OSes where you've never installed the software. This is true for my G502.
    - wlesieutre 6y ago
      It's true for a single configuration, but not if you want to bind different keys per program with the "Automatic Game Detection" mode. I mainly use one profile for games and set any keybinds I need in each one, but I've used automatic game detection for other software like repurposing the DPI adjustment buttons for quick shortcuts to blender's popup radial menus.
      - daxelrod 6y ago
        Ah, gotcha. The G502 stores something like 5 modes and has a mode switcher button on the mouse, but I could see the convenience of wanting automatic switching per program.
- nottorp 6y ago
  No shit. I can't configure the lights on my former razer mouse without logging in. Must be why I'm using a Steelseries now. Edit: Apparently they gave up on that idiotic requirement. Sorry Razer, too late. Not touching your products ever again. Edit 2: And since we're actually talking about Oculus, for me it died when they sold to Facebook. You needed to be pretty naive to think it won't come down to this in the long run.
- young_unixer 6y ago
  They absolutely are necessary if you want to disable or configure lighting, change DPI, acceleration, etc. I will never buy a Razer product again.
- duskwuff 6y ago
  > (and probably does a lot of data mining) Not just data, either. A year ago or so, Razer was pushing a cryptocurrency miner along with their driver package: https://www.razer.com/eu-en/softminer https://www.razer.com/eu-en/softminer
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abstractbarista 6y ago
I've used a Razer mouse for ages solely on a Linux machine. Never made an account. Only used Windows initially to set my preferred LED lighting option via their crappy app.

zamalek 6y ago

Because Facebook needs your data. And it's incredibly creepy. Movement just feels like an extremely intimate piece of data.

dividido 6y ago
Agreed. Luckily my favorite purchases are on steam and 2 years gives me plenty of time to move on from my rift. I'm not going to be forced to use facebook. Last thing I need is a remote exploit on my tracking cameras and facebook telling them exactly who and where I am.
whywhywhywhy 6y ago
They manage to harvest my data just fine in Instagram and WhatsApp without having to login using Facebook

mortehu 6y ago

Oculus Quest is actually a complete gaming console, which is why you can use it for untethered play. You can buy and install games on it.

ccktlmazeltov 6y ago

to track what games you bought and downloaded so you can download them again if your device breaks?

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