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And these fans have gladly taken to the stands haven’t they? You cannot have a nanny state and a free country at the same time. This is the sort of thing you h

And these fans have gladly taken to the stands haven’t they? You cannot have a nanny state and a free country at the same time. This is the sort of thing you have to accept and live with. At this point anyone still complaining about “covidiots” is severely misguided at the general level of proaction/intelligence/mentality of people, and how it translates into having a stable, productive society. Learning to live with it should be groundwork for anyone who actually wants to do bigger things in life than just a 9-5. As much as I love the panic and the incessant doom posting from every which way, the stark reality is that everyone’s time is running out anyway. The panic, when not driven to sell clicks, is driven by people who haven’t had an awakening with what it means to be mortal. Upside: I do hope more people pick up general life philosophy and stop shopping and drinking as a means of ignoring their purpose in life, but I doubt that will happen.

jagraff 6y ago
How does someone find "their purpose in life"?
- troughway 6y ago
  For a non-trivial amount of people, it seems like a serious confrontation with death does it. For others, tuning out the distractions might offer some space for new things to come into their day-to-day lives that make them question as to why they haven't done it sooner.
ianleeclark 6y ago
> You cannot have a nanny state and a free country at the same time. This is the sort of thing you have to accept and live with. You have to live with hemorrhaging 1000 lives daily to be free?
- zozin 6y ago
  A number like that in a vacuum is absolutely meaningless. The death rate in 2020 vs. historical averages is much lower in the US compared to the UK, Belgium, France, Spain, Italy, etc., but if you believe the media uncritically you'd think that America is a hellhole with people dying on the streets from Covid-19, when in fact that's just not the case. Our response was better than Europe's. We wear masks at a higher rate than other countries. https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/17/upshot/coronavirus-face-mask-map.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/17/upshot/corona...
  - crawlcrawler 6y ago
    >> Our response was better than Europe's. US's response to covid-19 was better than all countries in the whole of Europe? Or, did you mean to say the US's response was better than Europe's, on average? In what way was it better?
  - ryandrake 6y ago
    How high does the death rate have to be until you'd be willing to enforce stay-at-home?
    - jquery 6y ago
      Let’s start at higher than 3x the flu. And a lower average age than 78-years-old.
    - aeternum 6y ago
      If we're going to pass legislation based on death rate, why don't we start with heart disease? Heart disease kills 647k people per year, for consistency shouldn't we also mandate exercise and outlaw junk food?
  - ianleeclark 6y ago
    > but if you believe the media uncritically you'd think that America is a hellhole with people dying on the streets from Covid-19 But, in reality, they're dying in their homes because Americans are too afraid of surprise hospital fees ruining their entire life. > Our response was better than Europe's Americans had the brunt of the European and Chinese outbreaks to observe, learn, and listen, but none of these things come easy to us, so we instead decided to sacrifice our non-remote workers. Also, according to the ECDC, there have so far been 179,793 total deaths in the EU [1] vs 169,870 in the US [2]. In terms of cases 1 946 748 for the EU, 5,422,242 for the US. Keep in mind the population of the EU is roughly 40% larger than the US. We could also probably start looking into food insecurity rates increasing, eviction rates increasing, widespread civil unrest, but, hey, why throw more tinder onto the fire? The response has been exceptional, but in a brutally American way. [1] https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea [2] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/case...
Tarq0n 6y ago
The epidemic is not just about mortality, the disease could severely impact your quality of life without killing you.
- jquery 6y ago
  That’s true for the flu, as well. Can you name all of the long-term complications of the flu without looking them up?

jagraff 6y ago

How does someone find "their purpose in life"?

troughway 6y ago
For a non-trivial amount of people, it seems like a serious confrontation with death does it. For others, tuning out the distractions might offer some space for new things to come into their day-to-day lives that make them question as to why they haven't done it sooner.

ianleeclark 6y ago

> You cannot have a nanny state and a free country at the same time. This is the sort of thing you have to accept and live with. You have to live with hemorrhaging 1000 lives daily to be free?

zozin 6y ago
A number like that in a vacuum is absolutely meaningless. The death rate in 2020 vs. historical averages is much lower in the US compared to the UK, Belgium, France, Spain, Italy, etc., but if you believe the media uncritically you'd think that America is a hellhole with people dying on the streets from Covid-19, when in fact that's just not the case. Our response was better than Europe's. We wear masks at a higher rate than other countries. https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/17/upshot/coronavirus-face-mask-map.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/17/upshot/corona...
- crawlcrawler 6y ago
  >> Our response was better than Europe's. US's response to covid-19 was better than all countries in the whole of Europe? Or, did you mean to say the US's response was better than Europe's, on average? In what way was it better?
- ryandrake 6y ago
  How high does the death rate have to be until you'd be willing to enforce stay-at-home?
  - jquery 6y ago
    Let’s start at higher than 3x the flu. And a lower average age than 78-years-old.
  - aeternum 6y ago
    If we're going to pass legislation based on death rate, why don't we start with heart disease? Heart disease kills 647k people per year, for consistency shouldn't we also mandate exercise and outlaw junk food?
- ianleeclark 6y ago
  > but if you believe the media uncritically you'd think that America is a hellhole with people dying on the streets from Covid-19 But, in reality, they're dying in their homes because Americans are too afraid of surprise hospital fees ruining their entire life. > Our response was better than Europe's Americans had the brunt of the European and Chinese outbreaks to observe, learn, and listen, but none of these things come easy to us, so we instead decided to sacrifice our non-remote workers. Also, according to the ECDC, there have so far been 179,793 total deaths in the EU [1] vs 169,870 in the US [2]. In terms of cases 1 946 748 for the EU, 5,422,242 for the US. Keep in mind the population of the EU is roughly 40% larger than the US. We could also probably start looking into food insecurity rates increasing, eviction rates increasing, widespread civil unrest, but, hey, why throw more tinder onto the fire? The response has been exceptional, but in a brutally American way. [1] https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea [2] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/case...

Tarq0n 6y ago

The epidemic is not just about mortality, the disease could severely impact your quality of life without killing you.

jquery 6y ago
That’s true for the flu, as well. Can you name all of the long-term complications of the flu without looking them up?