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The problem with such drastic measures is that it is very difficult to actually prove that the seller did that. You could record the call as proof, but then you

The problem with such drastic measures is that it is very difficult to actually prove that the seller did that. You could record the call as proof, but then your competitor can game the system by creating fake recordings and take you down. Such terminal punishments will be worse for the platform as a whole.

elliekelly 6y ago
> The problem with such drastic measures is that it is very difficult to actually prove that the seller did that. I would imagine most of these communications are happening over email. Maybe even over Amazon's own messaging system.
- kumarvvr 6y ago
  It's very easy to spoof email addresses. Moreover, I too get many such calls and they are usually over phone. If Amazon starts using emails as evidence, sellers will move to other methods that are hard to trace. And methods that are hard to trace, are vulnerable to being faked.
  - Chris2048 6y ago
    > sellers will move to other methods that are hard to trace Just disallow it. Buyers won't care.
  - DoctorOetker 6y ago
    Amazon itself could spoof emails, so that it simultaneously detects consumers that bite, discarding their feedback and thus removing the incentive to try and bribe consumers for positive or negative feedback. The most elegant solution would of course be sybil free identities, ... but how do we allow for companies to possess an email adress or identity? by the concept of capacities ("hoedanigheid" in dutch): we would need to formalize the concept of communicating in a specific capacity such as saying something as a citizen, saying something in the capacity as a superior role in a company to someone with an inferior role etc... Consider those superiors, doctors, ... occasionally (or systematically) abusing their power. For example a citizen is entirely free to ask another citizen for a sexual favor, but depending on jurisdiction a superior can not ask this of a subjugated employee. Either the favor is explicitly asked in the role of a citizen, in which case the receiver can safely discard the message without getting accused of disobeying a superior, or the favor is explicitly asked in the capacity of a superior in which case a crime may have been commited and the receiver can demonstrate it. This is a relatively simple example but for the greyer areas it localizes which people in a company actually crossed the line and forces all employees regardless of level to think and consider the legality of what they are asking from or being asked by another employee. For example who decided to fake emissions tests at some car company?

elliekelly 6y ago

> The problem with such drastic measures is that it is very difficult to actually prove that the seller did that. I would imagine most of these communications are happening over email. Maybe even over Amazon's own messaging system.

kumarvvr 6y ago
It's very easy to spoof email addresses. Moreover, I too get many such calls and they are usually over phone. If Amazon starts using emails as evidence, sellers will move to other methods that are hard to trace. And methods that are hard to trace, are vulnerable to being faked.
- Chris2048 6y ago
  > sellers will move to other methods that are hard to trace Just disallow it. Buyers won't care.
- DoctorOetker 6y ago
  Amazon itself could spoof emails, so that it simultaneously detects consumers that bite, discarding their feedback and thus removing the incentive to try and bribe consumers for positive or negative feedback. The most elegant solution would of course be sybil free identities, ... but how do we allow for companies to possess an email adress or identity? by the concept of capacities ("hoedanigheid" in dutch): we would need to formalize the concept of communicating in a specific capacity such as saying something as a citizen, saying something in the capacity as a superior role in a company to someone with an inferior role etc... Consider those superiors, doctors, ... occasionally (or systematically) abusing their power. For example a citizen is entirely free to ask another citizen for a sexual favor, but depending on jurisdiction a superior can not ask this of a subjugated employee. Either the favor is explicitly asked in the role of a citizen, in which case the receiver can safely discard the message without getting accused of disobeying a superior, or the favor is explicitly asked in the capacity of a superior in which case a crime may have been commited and the receiver can demonstrate it. This is a relatively simple example but for the greyer areas it localizes which people in a company actually crossed the line and forces all employees regardless of level to think and consider the legality of what they are asking from or being asked by another employee. For example who decided to fake emissions tests at some car company?